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Summer transfer rumours.

Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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I think Klose leaving this summer was inevitable really, out of contract in the summer and likely on big wages.

Just hope all the decent loanees haven't gone in that position? Could do without some kid who isn't ready for senior football.

Could we try and do a thing where we sell him to them now, but they loan him back to us until January? Or is that wishful thinking?

EDIT: Just seen Hannover need a defender now as they've had a player do his ligaments, so that's a big no.
 
Fenway Frank

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Don’t forget we can loan someone now with a permanent deal done that will come into affect when the next window opens.
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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Don’t forget we can loan someone now with a permanent deal done that will come into affect when the next window opens.

Even if they are English?

That seems to make the new window completely irrelevant? :rolleyes::oops:
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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Even if they are English?

That seems to make the new window completely irrelevant? :rolleyes::oops:
Basically yes. The rules are really there for the prem. We could for example, do a deal with Blackpool to sign Tilt ( just to annoy the Binners ). He would join now on loan and sign officially when the next window opens.
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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Basically yes. The rules are really there for the prem. We could for example, do a deal with Blackpool to sign Tilt ( just to annoy the Binners ). He would join now on loan and sign officially when the next window opens.

That's actually quite good to know and it may explain why we've only loaned 1 domestic player this season rather than 2 like last season.

Are there limits on domestic loans and foreign loans, was it 2 domestic loans and unlimited foreign loans?

We've got at least 1 space for a domestic loan I think. Presumably in case Klose or Pinto leave in this window, and that loan could effectively be like any other purchase which means we aren't limited to 19 year old Spurs players.

Personally I'd be sad to see either of Klose and Pinto leave, even if Klose looked better in the Prem than he does in the Championship and Pinto is obviously not a top defender.... think they are both decent.... but understandable if they are on silly money, and if they can generate a seven figure sum.
 
hogesar

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If in your opening games you cant seem to defendas a team then selling your best performing central defender so far this season doesnt sound like the most intelligent move. It may make sense financially but the fans arent benefiting from good financial moves.
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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If in your opening games you cant seem to defendas a team then selling your best performing central defender so far this season doesnt sound like the most intelligent move. It may make sense financially but the fans arent benefiting from good financial moves.

I think it would be a huge risk, I think selling Pinto would also to be honest having not seen the German kid and with Marshall not looking like a right back. Just wouldn't surprise me if either of them went because of the contract situation, not that I want them to go.

To be honest I'm completely confused by the entire project now, and lots of decisions (including the Middleton and Ramsay releases and selling Rudd for £1m, and spending £1m on James Husband, and giving Russell Martin a new contract),but we'll see what happens.... at the end of the day we all want what we perceive to be 'progress' and finishing higher in the league constitutes that. I haven't got too much belief at the moment though, we've got a squad full of Farke's German speaking players.... where do we go from here if we change manager? Does it have to be a German?

I actually don't really enjoy the lack of transparency over the various decisions we make, including those above. It feels like Husband was a Webber signing for example, but Zimmermann was clearly a Farke signing. Who do we blame or credit for poor and good transfer business? Keep seeing people calling for Farke's head, but its really difficult to know what conditions he is operating under and how much input he is having into what squad he has at his disposal to try and work with, expressed concerns several times about player departures.

I would have assumed that the Maddison and Murphy sales would have straightened us out financially but clearly not, I suppose from Webber's point of view he sees Pinto and Klose as being perhaps £5m in cash that we won't get if they leave on free transfers to other clubs (which they can sign for in advance in January, so selling in January not really an option or at least not in our hands),and £5m is a lot of money to a Championship side which is still having to pay deadwood like Naismith and Jarvis, but It feels like we take a hell of a lot of big risks.... selling Rudd for £1m and replacing with a keeper who had never kicked a ball was a big risk which didn't back fire, but one of these days one of these risks will come back to slap us hard in the face and selling Klose could be the one?

Farke, the fall guy if this all goes wrong, is clearly not going to want to lose Klose at this point in the season is he? Then having to integrate a replacement without a pre-season who could end up struggling like Franke. Yet he'd be the one blamed and facing the chop if we end up in the relegation zone, its just confusing being a Norwich fan these days. I was hoping that the point at which we can stop being a selling club would the point at which we can start moving forward, but are we there yet or not? Do we need those 4 high earners off the payroll next summer before we reach that point? Just so many ifs and buts.
 
Din

Din

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Have to say if Klose had left a couple of months ago it wouldn't have overly bothered me, but considering now we can only bring someone in on loan, and they won't have had any pre-season with us, it's a bit of a dodgy one. Klose isn't irreplacable by any means and I have no qualms Zimmermann coming into the side for him, but we need another centre back if Klose does go no doubt about that.
 
Din

Din

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Very QPR signing that haha.

In other news, Husband has joined Fleetwood on loan til January. Not a huge surprise, and to be fair that's his level so a good move for all parties.
 
Canaryboy

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Very QPR signing that haha.

In other news, Husband has joined Fleetwood on loan til January. Not a huge surprise, and to be fair that's his level so a good move for all parties.

Good news and yes, that's his level.

I guess that means Stiepermann can go back to being the backup left back again instead of taking minutes from a better player further up the pitch.
 
Canaryboy

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I predict Todd Cantwell going out on loan before the end of the month, and reckon he's only still here because Buendia is on paternity leave.

We can loan up to 8 players by the way, minus the two we already have, so 6 spaces left!

Only 5 can be named in any matchday squad though.... so I reckon up to 3 homegrown loan players incoming?
 
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I predict Todd Cantwell going out on loan before the end of the month, and reckon he's only still here because Buendia is on paternity leave.

We can loan up to 8 players by the way, minus the two we already have, so 6 spaces left!

Only 5 can be named in any matchday squad though.... so I reckon up to 3 homegrown loan players incoming?

Is any loan player likely to be better than Cantwell?
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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Is any loan player likely to be better than Cantwell?

Marcus Maddison is transfer listed and didn't move during the window, so if it is him with a January transfer arranged should we shift another high earner (Oliviera?) then yes.... at the minute. Just look at what regular football did for Godfrey at Shrewsbury, and what six months at Aberdeen did for Maddison's determination (apparently told he needed to toughen up and work on his stamina if he wanted to play here).

Although Maddison will probably end up at Villa if they can't get Snoddy back?

I suspect 30+ starts for Fortuna over the next year would be better for him than 10 minutes off the bench every other week. Looks like we will be using Pukki in one of the attacking places if Rhodes stays fit and keeps scoring, plus we've got Hernandez, Marshall, and Buendia, so do we even need another wide player? I guess McLean could play wide left if needed.

More pressing perhaps is replacements for Pinto and Klose if they leave? Homegrown players in to replace, now that Husband and Matthews have gone? Possibly a left back if Farke doesn't see Stiepermann being a left back this season?

Still think we need another centre back even if Klose stays to be honest, and two if he leaves, bit thin there after letting Raggatt go.

Suspect after breaking through at Fortuna Cantwell would be better off continuing his development in League One or the Eredivise for a year rather than struggling for starts here?
 
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Canaryboy

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Would be a bit rubbish if Cantwell is stuck on the bench here all year getting the odd 15 minutes to meet the homegrown player quota, when he could be going out and playing regular football and developing mentally and physically, would probably rather we used another clubs teenager for that job to be honest..... look at what a full season of football did for Angus Gunn!

I bet Cantwell would jump at the chance to play in the Eredivisie to be honest, its not a top rate league but its pretty special with a lot of great history and you've got people like Van Persie, Blind and Huntelaar in it.
 
Din

Din

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To be fair I'm pretty sure Farke said the other day he has no real intentions of loaning Cantwell or Aarons out. Mainly I'm guessing because of the homegrown rules, let those two leave and we only have 7 homegrown players (excluding Martin, Jarvis, Morris and Oxborough who will almost certainly never even make the bench for us). One injury and we're breaking the rules. It's a shame because Cantwell in particular would really benefit from a loan move. I think if we replace Klose with a homegrown centre back, and maybe McGovern with a homegrown goalkeeper, then he'll probably be allowed to leave for the season. Don't think it'll happen this window however, which is a shame as he's clearly a good player but with everyone fit I doubt he makes our bench.
 
Din

Din

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As for incomings, we've been linked with Julio Tavares, a striker for Ligue 1 side Dijon. Don't know anything about him but he did pretty well for them actually last season in France's top tier, scoring 12 times. He apparently wants to move to England and quite a few Championship clubs are interested but apparently we're leading the way. The deal would be a loan for now with the option to buy for £2.5m come January. I'd be all for this to be fair, on paper his stats are very good. Wouldn't be a vote of confidence for Srbeny though, who whilst looking a bit better this season is still unconvincing.

Apart from this guy, or if we can't get him maybe another striker, I think the only other players we'll sign will be a replacement for Klose if he goes, and a replacement for McGovern if he goes (which I can't see happening). If Tavares does come in it wouldn't overly surprise me if Srbeny went out on loan.
 
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