Our Scottish players

[Lake District Canary]

I hope our Scottish players do well in the internationals coming up. Anything that can boost their confidence will help them when they come back to Norwich.

The funny thing is, our lads can play for Scotland, represent their country and all that, but can't vote on its future.

Strange world we live in....

 

[skijumptoes]

hah, think Chris Martin is 'scottish' too isn't he?  He would vote Peter Pan!

Reading what you posted I couldn't help but think of the young ones sketch with the guys outside a pub saying that they're old enough to be in the army, but not old enough to drink... "We're Scottish enough to play football here, but we can't vote it's future... what's up with that?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Yo9_aBj1Z84#t=168

 

[Lake District Canary]

hah, think Chris Martin is 'scottish' too isn't he?  He would vote Peter Pan!

Reading what you posted I couldn't help but think of the young ones sketch with the guys outside a pub saying that they're old enough to be in the army, but not old enough to drink... "We're Scottish enough to play football here, but we can't vote it's future... what's up with that?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Yo9_aBj1Z84#t=168

  Very true to life! 

My mum is Scottish, Scottish going back generations and has to write "British Scottish" on passport applications etc. but has no vote.  But a European citizen who has come to live in Scotland in the last two years can vote.   To me it looks as if it cannot be morally right to only allow those living there to vote.  Surprised there has been no legal challenge to it. 

My mum is as Scottish as they come  and if Scotland was already an independent country she would have "Scottish" on her passport and would be able to vote in an election there.  But because she has "British Scottish" on it, she is deemed not suitable. Morally wrong not to allow "British Scottish" subjects everywhere to have a say in their home country's future.

 

[morty]

I was born in Glasgow, to Scottish parents and I have no vote, but really if I choose not to live in Scotland then I kind of accept that I don't really have a say in its future.

A lot of Scottish guys onboard the ship with me, there has been more than a few heated debates at the dinner table! For the record, I'd vote No.

 

[Warren Hill]

Binner

 

[morty]

Binner

 

[Lake District Canary]

My Mum is a uk citizen - and Scotland is in the uk. Her nationality is classed as "British Scottish" so why she can not vote is wrong imo.    Anyone who is classed as "British Scottish" should be allowed to vote.  

The whole premise of "Scottish Independence" is flawed anyway - the "yes" movement seem to want to break away, but want to keep hold of the things they want to, like the currency for one thing.   I'd have more respect for the "yes" people if they showed signs of really wanting to do it on their own, not apparently cherry picking what they want from the present.   Independence means independence - and if the English want to protect their interests by removing their support for Scottish businesses/industry in the event of independence, then that is how it should be.  If Scotland really wants to do it on their own, then let them, but they should not expect that all the English ties will remain in place if that happens.  

Scotland has its own parliament, fine, but if they want independence, then England should be allowed to have independence too, from the drag on the budget that is Wales and the historically damaging place that is Northern Ireland. 

I'm all for local government, but where does it end?   Independence for Scotland? Wales? N.Ireland? An independent Cornwall?   A People's Republic of Norfolk?  :unsure:

 

[Killiecanary]

As en exiled Scot I don't have a vote - nor should I be entitled to one. This decision is for people living in Scotland and not-one else. Everybody who is entitled to vote in Scotland is eligible to vote in the referendum regardless of nationality, which I also think is right.

I have to disagree with you LDC on the currency thing. There is much nonsense being spouted about currency post a Yes vote, but the biggest one is this idea that Scotland is somehow not 'entitled' to use a 'pound' as a unit of currency. There is no reason whatsoever why Scotland couldn't have a currency in Pounds - it does not need to formally tied to the UK currency of sterling (although there are good reasons on both sides why it would probably be in everyone's interests if it were but that's another essay!)

The precedent for this is the Hong. Kong dollar which isn't formally united with any other currency but seems to be quite successful.

I'm not aware of what other bits of the Union Scotland is planning on keeping post independence?

After all that I have to say I would vote No if I were able to vote - but the tone and petty nature of some of the No compaign is really getting on my wick! It is also counterproductive because the single best way to alienate the Scottish voters is a condescending approach telling them that they wouldn't be able to go it alone without the help of the big brother south if the border. Absolutely crazy!

My favourite example of this was a no campaign advert which claimed that scouts would be better off by £200 a head by staying in he the union - and then proudly pointed out that that would be enough for everyone in Scotland to have a fish supper every week!

 

[Canaryboy]

As en exiled Scot I don't have a vote - nor should I be entitled to one. 

Agreed on this point. Just like British people living overseas shouldn't be able to vote in a UK general election. 

 but the tone and petty nature of some of the No compaign is really getting on my wick! I

As a completely impartial observer who doesn't really have any interest whatsoever in the outcome, I'd say that both sides are getting on my nerves. Propaganda, scare mongering and hyperbole from both the 'Yes' and 'No' campaigns.

 

[Andy]

The problem with the "better together" campaign is that it is focused on all of the bad things that independence may bring. It is more negative than a Chris Hughton away game. On the other hand the Yes campaign is set up like a Neil Adams home fixture, full of hope and aspiration. Frankly I couldn't care less whether Scotland is independent or not but if I were Scottish and had a vote I'd go for a Yes, the alternative being too depressing.

Mind you this video is so convincing.......

 

[Killiecanary]

Ha ha!

Yes andy you are spot on. This video is just SO bad!

I guess from my perspective the good thing of a yes vote would be that I would have joint nationality and a natty new passport!

 

[Andy]

I think the makers of the campaign video were heavily influenced by this masterpiece