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Cameron Jerome
Position: Striker
DOB: 14th August 1986Signed: 20th August 2014
From: Stoke City (Undisclosed Fee)
Contract: [SIZE=17.77777862548828px]30th June [/SIZE]2017
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Signed: 20th August 2014
From: Stoke City (Undisclosed Fee)
Contract: [SIZE=17.77777862548828px]30th June [/SIZE]2017
Canaryboy
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One of the best bargains that I can remember as a Norwich fan, what a steal at £1.5m.
Many Stoke fans knew, and freely admit, that he wasn't given enough of an opportunity in the Premier League for them.
When Norwich fans talk about Bryan Gunn the line "but he did sign Holt" usually comes into the conversation. Whilst I wouldn't want to be as offensive as to compare Adams with Gunn, because I just believe that Adams didn't quite have the mental strength whilst Gunn was utterly incompetent, I believe that in a few years time Norwich fans will be discussing Adams and will use the line "but he did sign Jerome".
Many Stoke fans knew, and freely admit, that he wasn't given enough of an opportunity in the Premier League for them.
When Norwich fans talk about Bryan Gunn the line "but he did sign Holt" usually comes into the conversation. Whilst I wouldn't want to be as offensive as to compare Adams with Gunn, because I just believe that Adams didn't quite have the mental strength whilst Gunn was utterly incompetent, I believe that in a few years time Norwich fans will be discussing Adams and will use the line "but he did sign Jerome".
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The Great Mass Debater
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3rd top scorer in the division now with 18 league goals.
Deeney is on 19, Murphy on 23
Deeney is on 19, Murphy on 23
The Great Mass Debater
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Not meaning to be inflammatory, but on what do you base the assertion that Adams and Gunn were miles apart?
Consider the differing jobs they had.
Adams inherited arguably the most talented (and certainly the most expensively acquired) team in Norwich's history. I dont count his Premier League stint, as he was on a hiding to nothing, but his starting position in the Championship was almost Newcastle-esque. He made a number of debatable decisions, and after a good but all to be expected start, the underachievement started, the fans turned, and he didnt last much longer.
Gunn by contrast inherited the tail end of Roeder's reign, which saw the club at its lowest ebb for a number of years, with a ragtail bunch of uncommited journeymen loanees and with only a few of our own professionals to rub together. He inherited a squad following years of decline, with the club having developed a desperate losing culture, with the only ambition to desperately try to somehow cling onto our championship status. Unsurprisingly he wasnt able to correct the inevitable consequences of years of decline. He was then allowed to completely rebuild the squad, and was never given the chance to show what his squad might have done in the championship.
Its likely that we would have consolidated and embedded ourselves in League 1, but the fact is we will never know, as like Harry Kane in a Norwich shirt, he only got two games. Yes Colchester was a disaster, but 4-0 against Yeovil and a Grant Holt hat-trick, hardly in the same vein.
Im not suggesting Gunn would likely have achieved much, but the truth is we will never know what the fruits of his rebuild might have been. I dont think you can blame him for our relegation from the Championship - that situation was not his fault and to expect him to turn that around was unfair. It wasnt even Roeder's fault. Unpleasant as he was, he stopped the rot in his first season, and bought us some time, but the cancer was already in the club and all he did was buy some time until the inevitable happened and we returned to base.
Adams and Gunn had very different situations, and given the resources Adams had compared to Gunn - I would question the argument that he achieved any more
Canaryboy
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Well Gunn took control of the team with us sitting in 21st position and was given almost half a season to try and turn us around, signing 7 players in the process (6 loans, 1 permanent),and we finished in the relegation zone.
It was remarkable that he was given the job on a permanent basis. He then proceeded to sign possibly the worst goalkeeper in our history, despite having been one of our best goalkeepers, and then after a rebuild of our squad lead us to our heaviest home defeat in our history against a team who went on to finish mid-table in League One.
There were numerous highly questionable signings, including giving a contract to Paul McVeigh who the season prior had failed to hold down a place in a relegated League Two side, Simon Whaley, and Goran Maric.
I personally feel that it would be unfair to put Adams in the same camp as Gunn, considering he was given just 5 games to try and turn a season around, with no ability to sign any players, and did leave with us within touching distance of the play offs.
It would be unambitious of anybody to have had top 6 as the target this season (some Norwich fans did have that as the target!) and he did fail to address our centre back issue, and left us short of wide players, but nothing that Adams has done comes close to what we witnessed from Gunn. Just my opinion.
Adams didn't impress me in the transfer market, if I'm honest, and showed naivety in sticking with the same failing system and didn't use his squad enough. But by and large the senior players that he brought in were at least adequate (Lambert had to do a lot more surgery on the squad than Neil has) and we did play some good (effective) attacking football for a period at the beginning. Same can't be said for Gunn, wasn't it 4 wins in half a season?
We performed better under Roeder than we did under Gunn that season.
It was remarkable that he was given the job on a permanent basis. He then proceeded to sign possibly the worst goalkeeper in our history, despite having been one of our best goalkeepers, and then after a rebuild of our squad lead us to our heaviest home defeat in our history against a team who went on to finish mid-table in League One.
There were numerous highly questionable signings, including giving a contract to Paul McVeigh who the season prior had failed to hold down a place in a relegated League Two side, Simon Whaley, and Goran Maric.
I personally feel that it would be unfair to put Adams in the same camp as Gunn, considering he was given just 5 games to try and turn a season around, with no ability to sign any players, and did leave with us within touching distance of the play offs.
It would be unambitious of anybody to have had top 6 as the target this season (some Norwich fans did have that as the target!) and he did fail to address our centre back issue, and left us short of wide players, but nothing that Adams has done comes close to what we witnessed from Gunn. Just my opinion.
Adams didn't impress me in the transfer market, if I'm honest, and showed naivety in sticking with the same failing system and didn't use his squad enough. But by and large the senior players that he brought in were at least adequate (Lambert had to do a lot more surgery on the squad than Neil has) and we did play some good (effective) attacking football for a period at the beginning. Same can't be said for Gunn, wasn't it 4 wins in half a season?
We performed better under Roeder than we did under Gunn that season.
The Great Mass Debater
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Not convinced by your argument there Im afraid. Gunn may have made the poor signings he did because of a lack of resources - something Adams was not restricted by. Remember that the Holt signing was seen as a massive outlay at the time, what was it £400,00? When you're shopping in the bargain basement, you're unlikley to unearth too many gems. Colchester also lost their manager after their storming start to the season 
I havent included Adams' run in the Premier League as part of his performance, Im only judging him on the Championship.
They had vastly different tasks, vastly different resources with which to rebuild, and inherited vastly different situations. Adams inherited a pool of very talented players and probably the strongest squad in the division. Gunn inherited practically nothing except a cancer which had been many years in the making.
Gunn stood no chance really, which makes it all the more remarkable what Lambert achieved.
Gunn wasnt a good manager, but I dont see much evidence that Adams was all that better.
I havent included Adams' run in the Premier League as part of his performance, Im only judging him on the Championship.
They had vastly different tasks, vastly different resources with which to rebuild, and inherited vastly different situations. Adams inherited a pool of very talented players and probably the strongest squad in the division. Gunn inherited practically nothing except a cancer which had been many years in the making.
Gunn stood no chance really, which makes it all the more remarkable what Lambert achieved.
Gunn wasnt a good manager, but I dont see much evidence that Adams was all that better.
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The Great Mass Debater
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If this difference of opinion was on the Pinkun do you think I'd have called you a tw*t by now?
Canaryboy
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I think we are both agreeing that neither Adams or Gunn were cut out for management at a club of our size, we just don't quite agree on Gunn's level of incompetence. We should perhaps consider it a luxury that we feel able to talk about the inadequcies of previous managers rather than the current manager, makes a nice change and long may that continue*
*You tw*t :lol:
*You tw*t :lol:
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GJP
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Thought Neil Adams had a bit of an idea.
Gunn had absolutely no idea.
Gunn had absolutely no idea.
The Great Mass Debater
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I have become a big fan of Jerome. I think he's going to surprise a few people this season.
Going to stick my neck out and predict 10 goals at least this season. His industry, composure, decision-making, finishing and adaptability (and by this I mean his ability to adapt to whatever chance has been created and somehow manage to get a shot off or his head to the ball, as opposed to wanting a certain type of chance created for him and fluffing those which arent perfect for him) is well above anybody else's at the club at the moment. Hooper is a clinical finisher, but I've been very impressed by Jerome since he joined the club. I didnt rate him before he joined us and am glad to have been proven wrong.
I think he'll prove a lot of people wrong this season
Going to stick my neck out and predict 10 goals at least this season. His industry, composure, decision-making, finishing and adaptability (and by this I mean his ability to adapt to whatever chance has been created and somehow manage to get a shot off or his head to the ball, as opposed to wanting a certain type of chance created for him and fluffing those which arent perfect for him) is well above anybody else's at the club at the moment. Hooper is a clinical finisher, but I've been very impressed by Jerome since he joined the club. I didnt rate him before he joined us and am glad to have been proven wrong.
I think he'll prove a lot of people wrong this season
Gaffer
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He's capable of 10+ goals and I hope he's the striker who starts most games. AN sees Grabban as 'the complete striker' though, and clearly thinks he fits better into his preferred system. Holt didn't start a lot of games in our first season back in the PL but still went on to score 15 and I think Jerome can also get into double figures.
Canaryboy
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I'm tipping Jerome to have a honeymoon season.
Steve Morison scored 9 in half a season, I don't think its too pie in the sky to predict that Jerome could score 12-15 this season.
I think he's underrated and was criminally underused at Stoke (only 15 of his 50 Premier League appearances in three seasons were starts).
I just don't think Grabban is anywhere near composed / clinical enough to be a success in this league, although as a grafter I think he'll be a handy player to bring on for 15-20 minutes to chase balls and hassle tired defenders.
Steve Morison scored 9 in half a season, I don't think its too pie in the sky to predict that Jerome could score 12-15 this season.
I think he's underrated and was criminally underused at Stoke (only 15 of his 50 Premier League appearances in three seasons were starts).
I just don't think Grabban is anywhere near composed / clinical enough to be a success in this league, although as a grafter I think he'll be a handy player to bring on for 15-20 minutes to chase balls and hassle tired defenders.
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SussexYellow
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Morty and Splutcho seem to be having problems posting under Current Canaries. So will this post work?
Canaryboy
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Ah, if its both of them then I must not have changed 'permissions' for the moderator 'user type'.
Another thing for the long list, lol.
Easy to fix.
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splutcho
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Huzzah!
What I was going to say was that as we know from this league, chances are going to be a lot more scarce than they were last year and I trust Jerome more than our other strikers to put them away. Especially looking at how he finishes his goal yesterday. That's a man at peak form and full confidence. Must start against Palace unless we sign Aguero this week.
Grabban needs too many chances to score for me and while Hooper's a good finisher, I don't think he can create enough for himself to get the chances. RVW too much of a risk unless he's lighting it up in training and we don't know about it.
What I was going to say was that as we know from this league, chances are going to be a lot more scarce than they were last year and I trust Jerome more than our other strikers to put them away. Especially looking at how he finishes his goal yesterday. That's a man at peak form and full confidence. Must start against Palace unless we sign Aguero this week.
Grabban needs too many chances to score for me and while Hooper's a good finisher, I don't think he can create enough for himself to get the chances. RVW too much of a risk unless he's lighting it up in training and we don't know about it.
Indy_Bones
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Agreed with pretty much all of that, although apparently RvW has always looked very dangerous in training with some outstanding finishes, we just never really saw it too much on the pitch.
ZLF
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I think he can do well, but I did chuckle at Iwan suggesting he can get 15+ goals this season; only 6-10 players achieve that and very rarely outside the top 5 clubs; if he can get 10 he will have had an excellent season (and be in the top 10-25 strikers of the season)
The Great Mass Debater
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Dont forget that Holt did rather well on his debut season in the Prem (and he didnt start off as first choice)
He could get 15 goals this season - it would represent a brilliant season for him, but if Holt can do it, why not Jerome?
He could get 15 goals this season - it would represent a brilliant season for him, but if Holt can do it, why not Jerome?
splutcho
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I have literally no evidence for this, but I just feel during Holt's season the stars just aligned. Technically it could happen again, but I don't see it.
dj161
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http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2016-06-13/cameron-jerome-to-stay-at-norwich-for-another-three-years/
just signed a new 3 year deal
just signed a new 3 year deal