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The King is dead, long live the King!

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Number 9

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It's only a matter of time before every football manager leaves his position, and it seems that Wagner has reached that point.
By all accounts he looked a broken man after Saturdays game, having tried increasingly desperate adjustments to his game plan yet failing miserably.
We're told that he'll still be in the job when Sunday comes, surely he will get the chop after that, win, lose or draw.
What I'd like to see is Webber walking out the door with him, next week rather than next year.
 
morty

morty

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Things change, but everything stays the same.

The fact of the matter is that our self funding model is becoming less workable, year by year. We need to be very, very lucky in every single transfer deal, and just as lucky with injuries.

Personally, I don't blame Webber, you can only piss with the cock that you have got.
 
N

Number 9

Well-Known Member
morty said:
Things change, but everything stays the same.

The fact of the matter is that our self funding model is becoming less workable, year by year. We need to be very, very lucky in every single transfer deal, and just as lucky with injuries.

Personally, I don't blame Webber, you can only piss with the cock that you have got.
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Refusing to bring in and play defensive midfielders isn't 'unlucky'.
 
Gunvald Larsson

Gunvald Larsson

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Farke has gone. Smith has gone. Wagner and Webber will soon be gone. Let's just hope that with Knapper and a new Head Coach (plus new blood in the boardroom) the rot can be stopped before L1 becomes a reality.
 
morty

morty

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Gunvald Larsson said:
Farke has gone. Smith has gone. Wagner and Webber will soon be gone. Let's just hope that with Knapper and a new Head Coach (plus new blood in the boardroom) the rot can be stopped before L1 becomes a reality.
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I don't think things are anywhere near bad enough for us to be relegated. But I guess all teams think that...
 
N

Number 9

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He's got to go, question is - who's coming in?
Just someone to the end of the season?
 
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GJP

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Number 9 said:
He's got to go, question is - who's coming in?
Just someone to the end of the season?
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I imagine Ben Knapper will already have one or two in mind (or lined up). It'll then be a case of what kind of timeline plays out.

If treading water can be tolerated then they'll let Knapper get (officially) in the door and he'll appear to be given time to assess the situation and equally everyone will (appear to) be given the chance to show what they're about to him.

Unless of course that treading water quickly starts to look more like drowning in which case everything might get accelerated.

Wagner will already know (or have a strong sense of) whether he is going to be backed or sacked by the new guy. And it's probably been that way for a little while.

It'll be quite likely that a lot of what comes over the next couple of months will be stage managed for the right kind of appearance.
 
N

Number 9

Well-Known Member
GJP said:
I imagine Ben Knapper will already have one or two in mind (or lined up). It'll then be a case of what kind of timeline plays out.

If treading water can be tolerated then they'll let Knapper get (officially) in the door and he'll appear to be given time to assess the situation and equally everyone will (appear to) be given the chance to show what they're about to him.

Unless of course that treading water quickly starts to look more like drowning in which case everything might get accelerated.

Wagner will already know (or have a strong sense of) whether he is going to be backed or sacked by the new guy. And it's probably been that way for a little while.

It'll be quite likely that a lot of what comes over the next couple of months will be stage managed for the right kind of appearance.
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Wagner looked shot after the last game and just blamed the players in his after match presser.
It's only gonna end one way & it won't be long.
 
morty

morty

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Or the club does it on the cheap, without having to pay Wagner off, and we limp along till our front two are fit again...
 
M

ManofNorfolk1805

Member
morty said:
Things change, but everything stays the same.

The fact of the matter is that our self funding model is becoming less workable, year by year. We need to be very, very lucky in every single transfer deal, and just as lucky with injuries.

Personally, I don't blame Webber, you can only piss with the cock that you have got.
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It helps , of course, if you are clever enough to let the Americans take a significant stake in the club without actually putting any money in? That is the mark of true genius in any language.
 
morty

morty

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I'm still in two minds about this.

I think we have all forgotten the amazing start we had to the season, before the injuries. So, currently we have our first choice keeper out, two first choice CB's, and two first choice strikers. Changing the manager won't change those injuries.

BUT, it is still the manager's job to find a way to win games. But this all very much points back to something I have said a few times, we have a very good first 11, but not really that much beyond that.

I assume we will have to pay up Wagner's contract, do I remember it right he is on a year rolling?

So, I understand why this is a difficult decision for the board, as I am not 100% convinced that changing the manager will make a great deal of difference.
 
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ManofNorfolk1805

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Morty , it is a competence (or lack of) issue throughout the club.
1) Recruitment and squad balance - a) Big Andrew O sold to Forest where he does not get a game. b) Hugill -- target man sold, no replacement c) 2 centre halves signed - one (Batth) doesn't play, even with the injuries and d) we have more wingers than Ryanair, most of whom are under 5'6".
2) Injuries - a) amazing how many games Sam Byram has stayed fit for at Leeds? b) How long has Sorensen been out? Only now has a decision been made on the necessity for surgery. c) How are these injuries being managed? If I was an injured player , I would not be hurrying to get back into the present set-up.
3) The total farce of the Americans' semi-detached involvement. I have said it before - they were given a stake in the club without putting any money in. We have seen where an apparent reliance on analytics has led us. Does anyone outside the boardroom (or even in it) actually understand how this is supposed to work FOR THE CLUB'S BENEFIT (and by association for the fans) If someone does know how it is expected to work, can they explain it publicly, so we all have some idea of the objectives?
 
N

Number 9

Well-Known Member
ManofNorfolk1805 said:
Morty , it is a competence (or lack of) issue throughout the club.
1) Recruitment and squad balance - a) Big Andrew O sold to Forest where he does not get a game. b) Hugill -- target man sold, no replacement c) 2 centre halves signed - one (Batth) doesn't play, even with the injuries and d) we have more wingers than Ryanair, most of whom are under 5'6".
2) Injuries - a) amazing how many games Sam Byram has stayed fit for at Leeds? b) How long has Sorensen been out? Only now has a decision been made on the necessity for surgery. c) How are these injuries being managed? If I was an injured player , I would not be hurrying to get back into the present set-up.
3) The total farce of the Americans' semi-detached involvement. I have said it before - they were given a stake in the club without putting any money in. We have seen where an apparent reliance on analytics has led us. Does anyone outside the boardroom (or even in it) actually understand how this is supposed to work FOR THE CLUB'S BENEFIT (and by association for the fans) If someone does know how it is expected to work, can they explain it publicly, so we all have some idea of the objectives?
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Attanasio has put money in, he now owns big chunk of the clubs debt I believe.
 
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