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He might play in the Premier League but not for a big hitter.
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hogesar
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If Maddison is going to be a top player then he needs to play forward passes. For an attacking mid he too often takes several touches and plays a safe pass backwards or sidewards.
Now that may predominantly be down to a lack of movement around him - but its too early to say either way in my opinion.
Now that may predominantly be down to a lack of movement around him - but its too early to say either way in my opinion.
Canaryboy
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I've got a feeling Everton are eyeing him up as a Barkley replacement tbh... he's clearly off on a bosman, and Sigurdsson is struggling to find form.
That rumour made a lot of sense.
They aren't big 4, but they are top 8 with Liverpool....
That rumour made a lot of sense.
They aren't big 4, but they are top 8 with Liverpool....
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Hardly the player Everton need. Surely they will be going big for a striker or two.
Maddison is good but I don't see him as being any better than someone like James Ward-Prowse or Will Hughes. Look at Pritchard - he had an even better season for Brentford than Maddison is having for us.
Maddison is good but I don't see him as being any better than someone like James Ward-Prowse or Will Hughes. Look at Pritchard - he had an even better season for Brentford than Maddison is having for us.
Canaryboy
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Pritchard is a bit of an unfair example because he had a serious ankle injury early into his West Brom loan, if he hadn't had that injury then I doubt he would have been dropping back down to this level when he signed for us... basically missed out on his big chance to prove his Premier League credentials.
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Din
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My link was sh*te so was able to watch the game but not amazingly well. Main thing that stuck out for me was unlike some of our games earlier in the season, particularly away from home, we never seemed in control of the match. In fact we almost looked in less control after we took the lead.
Conceding from a set-piece again is really poor. For the 2nd home game in a row once they scored the equaliser they looked like the home team. I'm glad I didn't go to the game to be honest because the point from when Preston scored to the end of the game was ridiculously frustrating to watch. It was driving me mad and I had the option to turn it off. It wasn't just all the stop-start stuff due to injuries but we just couldn't seem to keep the ball on the floor or string two passes together.
Great free-kick from Maddison. I think he sort of meant it but I think mainly he was just trying to put the ball in a dangerous area. Loved his celebration as well. Thought Vrancic has looked better playing deep as well. Also great to get Pritchard on the pitch.
This run of the last 3 games, Barnsley and Preston at home and Nottingham Forest away, realistically we needed to pick up at least one win in there, yet we managed 2 points from a possible 9. The next 3 games are pretty difficult as well, away to Cardiff and Leeds and at home to Sheffield Wednesday. We really can't let this win-less run go on for too long yet getting a win from any of the next 3 is gonna be a tough ask.
Conceding from a set-piece again is really poor. For the 2nd home game in a row once they scored the equaliser they looked like the home team. I'm glad I didn't go to the game to be honest because the point from when Preston scored to the end of the game was ridiculously frustrating to watch. It was driving me mad and I had the option to turn it off. It wasn't just all the stop-start stuff due to injuries but we just couldn't seem to keep the ball on the floor or string two passes together.
Great free-kick from Maddison. I think he sort of meant it but I think mainly he was just trying to put the ball in a dangerous area. Loved his celebration as well. Thought Vrancic has looked better playing deep as well. Also great to get Pritchard on the pitch.
This run of the last 3 games, Barnsley and Preston at home and Nottingham Forest away, realistically we needed to pick up at least one win in there, yet we managed 2 points from a possible 9. The next 3 games are pretty difficult as well, away to Cardiff and Leeds and at home to Sheffield Wednesday. We really can't let this win-less run go on for too long yet getting a win from any of the next 3 is gonna be a tough ask.
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Yeah but we've all seen his quality since and people haven't started talking about him going on to play at the very top.
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I said I thought he'd be a top class player, not play at the very top. Sigurdson is a top class player, but at 28 hasn't played for a Man Utd, Chelsea, or Real Madrid and never in the Champions League... and guess what, £50m Sigurdsson was playing in the Championship with Reading when he was Maddison's age.
There are top players in poor sides also, Benteke is at the bottom of the league.
I think he's as good as Craig Bellamy, that sort of level. Is that better? Who incidentally, I think would have picked up quite a few England caps if he was English (probably on that left side when it was a problem position).
Bellamy had a successful period at Liverpool, and caught the start of Man City's rise (when they first came into big money) but not when they became absolutely huge. Mainly played for mid-table sides, but at several of those sides was a talisman or big fish in a small pond.
So I expect him to go to the Premier League very soon, and then have a long career in that league and maybe win a couple of things on the way. Like Bellamy, is that better?
I shouldn't have used Beckham as an example because his CV is flattering. He had a PR firm, a stylist, and a celebrity WAG, and built a global brand. But he wasn't a world class player.
How about I say Maddison is the new Le Tissier, but without the loyalty, is that better? He was a 'top player', Premier League legend, but only won a few England caps... and then we don't have to have a debate about what constitutes a big club and what doesn't or start comparing England caps.
Gary Speed, Dion Dublin, Mark Viduka, Chris Sutton, Peter Crouch, Tim Cahill also all examples of top class players who didn't play for the big 4.
Hughes and Ward-Prowse are deep lying players, and Wilshere isn't getting picked because Southgate doesn't play a number 10, so for that reason then yeah... Hughes will get more caps than Maddison, for the same reason Hoolahan wasn't picked for Ireland under Trappatoni.
I expect Maddison to establish himself as a Premier League player and build a name for himself. He's got that something special about him, a bit of an edge.... a bit of a Huckerby or Bellamy about him. Everybody knows who Darren Huckerby is, leave Norwich and say you are a Norwich fan and they mention Huckerby.... that's what Maddison has got, that bit of flair and charisma which will see him make a name for himself.
There are top players in poor sides also, Benteke is at the bottom of the league.
I think he's as good as Craig Bellamy, that sort of level. Is that better? Who incidentally, I think would have picked up quite a few England caps if he was English (probably on that left side when it was a problem position).
Bellamy had a successful period at Liverpool, and caught the start of Man City's rise (when they first came into big money) but not when they became absolutely huge. Mainly played for mid-table sides, but at several of those sides was a talisman or big fish in a small pond.
So I expect him to go to the Premier League very soon, and then have a long career in that league and maybe win a couple of things on the way. Like Bellamy, is that better?
I shouldn't have used Beckham as an example because his CV is flattering. He had a PR firm, a stylist, and a celebrity WAG, and built a global brand. But he wasn't a world class player.
How about I say Maddison is the new Le Tissier, but without the loyalty, is that better? He was a 'top player', Premier League legend, but only won a few England caps... and then we don't have to have a debate about what constitutes a big club and what doesn't or start comparing England caps.
Gary Speed, Dion Dublin, Mark Viduka, Chris Sutton, Peter Crouch, Tim Cahill also all examples of top class players who didn't play for the big 4.
Hughes and Ward-Prowse are deep lying players, and Wilshere isn't getting picked because Southgate doesn't play a number 10, so for that reason then yeah... Hughes will get more caps than Maddison, for the same reason Hoolahan wasn't picked for Ireland under Trappatoni.
I expect Maddison to establish himself as a Premier League player and build a name for himself. He's got that something special about him, a bit of an edge.... a bit of a Huckerby or Bellamy about him. Everybody knows who Darren Huckerby is, leave Norwich and say you are a Norwich fan and they mention Huckerby.... that's what Maddison has got, that bit of flair and charisma which will see him make a name for himself.
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I disagree. His CV is that of someone who was good enough to play for the best teams alongside the best players.
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Anyway, I am in the minority of people who haven't got as excited about Maddison.
But I was also in the minority who liked the look of Kane.
So we'll see.
But I was also in the minority who liked the look of Kane.
So we'll see.
Canaryboy
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And there are also top quality players who for whatever reason end up with CV's which don't do them justice, like Le Tissier who turned down top 4 sides.
Jermaine Defoe is an excellent example. has 1 league cup to his name... but one of the best ever Premier League strikers and 7th all time top Premier League goalscorer (and only 1 of the others is still playing, so time yet to move up some places).
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Din
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To be honest I think it's relatively pointless speculating about how good Maddison can be. With young players it's near impossible to tell how they're going to turn out. How many players have come through the ranks from the top clubs in the Premier League all the way down to League 1 level where everyone's been talking about them as the next big thing? Probably hundreds just in the last few seasons, and I guarantee near enough every club in the top 2 divisions has a player that they'd tip to become a future star. How many have actually lived up to the hype? It's probably in single figures.
I certainly think Maddison has a lot of potential, and the attributes to go a long way. Seems to have the attitude as well. There's no reason why he can't be a top player, but as I said that's probably the case for dozens and dozens of young players in England. He's certainly going the right way about it at the moment.
I certainly think Maddison has a lot of potential, and the attributes to go a long way. Seems to have the attitude as well. There's no reason why he can't be a top player, but as I said that's probably the case for dozens and dozens of young players in England. He's certainly going the right way about it at the moment.
Canaryboy
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Agreed Din, me and GJP are being a bit silly. Although one of us could bump this in a few years for bragging rights.
This could be his peak, it could be just the start, he might do his cruciates next week... who the f*ck knows.
I bet Middlesbrough fans were raving about Patrick Bamford in their play-off season, think he then believed his own hype and it went downhill for him from there.
This could be his peak, it could be just the start, he might do his cruciates next week... who the f*ck knows.
I bet Middlesbrough fans were raving about Patrick Bamford in their play-off season, think he then believed his own hype and it went downhill for him from there.
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Canaryboy
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Bamford is the new Bendtner :lol:
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My verdict on that at the time was a desperation buy from Newcastle.
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I've already bookmarked it in readiness.
hogesar
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Yeah watch yourself on this one Canaryboy, GJP has a pretty good record over the years wjth judging the young ones.
Vaguely remember him shooting me down years back when i wanted Spillane in the team. In my defence I was 14 at the time
Vaguely remember him shooting me down years back when i wanted Spillane in the team. In my defence I was 14 at the time
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Going back to the game though...not great, again. By the time we next play at Carrow Road it'll be three months since our last home win. Three.
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