“I honestly thought I could have kept them up" - Chris Hughton

Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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Quoted in yesterdays Daily Mirror. Full quote: 

“I honestly thought I could have kept them up. Yes, we had tough matches against top sides left, but the first of the five was at Fulham and I felt we could win that.”

Full article with more quotes here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-norwich-boss-chris-hughton-4176648

Bit of a shortage of threads being started on here at the moment, I know its slow news as its post-transfer deadline and an international break, but would have thought somebody would have been all over this topic! 

All I am going to say on the matter is that I'm glad he used the word "could", rather than "would".
 
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Wiz

Wiz

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Fortunately for CH its a question that can't ever be answered or proved.

However, what is beyond doubt imo is that team morale and confidence was shot to pieces under his stewardship.
 
nolegs

nolegs

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i could have kept us up

i could have won the f.a cup

i could have got us a champions league spot

i could have persuaded messi to sign for us

i could have got rvw to score goals

all the above as likely as the statement "i could have won the lottery last night"

possible......but never gonna happen!!
 
Yellow Fever

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We'll just never know what would have happened.
 
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Matt Hopkins

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There were to many things that had gone wrong for CH.for him to suddenly "pull city round"

The style of football was dire, the lack of confidence that started with the strikers and spread throughout the team

The fans and if what has been subsequently stated,the majority of the board , had become disenchanted.

To then expect a win at Fulham after previous no shows against them, shows a level of self delusion befitting the man.

I cannot remember a more "grey" manager that seemed to lack anything that you could "get behind"

I wish him well anywhere NOT NEAR US.
 
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cityoldboy

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Spot on Matt.

I have not read article on link but assume he is trying to boost his #chances of getting another job.
 
Andy

Andy

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I still think that CH is a decent manager but he got his strategy completely wrong at NCFC. It seems to me that the mindset of the board downwards was all about staying in the Prem & CH looked at the players at his disposal and, wrongly in my view, considered the best way to achieve this objective was to play defensively. When he was appointed I knew that we would struggle away from home because of his track record of focusing on home games. I didn't expect him to basically write away games off completely.

I hear a lot of people talk about the lack of players' confidence during the CH reign, I don't agree with this. I've spoken privately with a number of players who have all commented on what a decent bloke CH is. On the other hand, certain members of Lambert's management team were quite the opposite. In my view it wasn't the confidence of the players that was affected by CH, it was their mindset. They would go into a game thinking "we've only got to win a couple more to stay up, it doesn't matter if we lose this one" but as the games started to run out and the results went against us panic set in.

I think Lambert would have got us relegated a season earlier as his "go for it with hungry young players" approach was heading for disaster. I think his time at Villa has shown this.

However, I think that CH would still have got us relegated if he'd stayed because he'd lost a good section of the fans & that's why he had to go. The board acted after the West Brom game because they thought the full support of the home crowd would be vital to get us over the line. If he'd stayed the abuse from the fans would have intensified and killed any slim chance we had of a recovery.
 
Lake District Canary

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Imo Chris's biggest problem in management is relying on the players too much.   At Newcastle it worked because the players were good enough and already had an established team.  At Birmingham he walked into a settled team and with the absence of money to develop, just shaped them and let them get on with it.   At Norwich, I think he thought that if he had money to spend and got the right sort of players in, got them into good habits, that they would be able to  do the business too.  

The trouble is that there was too much going against him and once that happens, you are always going to struggle.  The first thing was that in trying to shape the team differently it caused players to have to think more about what they were doing - players that were used to being more instinctive  under Lambert.   Also the fans showed some dislike of a more structured approach.  Even though they managed to put a good run together, once that bubble burst, it was never really the same again. 

So after Christmas we had a team lost a bit of confidence with players struggling to keep to the new approach, teams that had sussed as out a bit, a manager who maybe reacted to losing matches by trying to make the games tighter, thus restricting the players more. Fans reacting badly too, not enjoying the situation.   Even with the influx of new players for the following season, is seemed as if the road was still downwards.   

A lot is made of Hughton's apparent "rigid" tactics, or "defensive" or "cautious" approach, but in a way, that is a smoke screen for simplistic attitudes to what kind of manager he is.  At Newcastle he had really good players and a team already in place.  At Birmingham, not the same pressure as here.  At Norwich he was  following a "messiah", trying to instill new discipline in the structure of the team,  at a club trying to battle against the financial odds, trying to create a structure that would develop the club and keep it up season after season.  

If we had sustained that momentum of the first season before Christmas, things might have been different, but it was lost - and the whole shape of things seemed to change.  The job proved to be beyond his capabilities, especially last season where individuals seemed to be in conflict within the set up.  Once that happens there is no way back.  Could he have kept us up?  Maybe, but the board finally recognised that something would have to change - and maybe, just maybe they've got it right this time, with a wider structural shape behind the scenes, designed to not rely on one person. 

Imo Hughton was the best choice of manager for us at the time he was appointed - that he couldn't achieve "the next level" says a lot about the situation he inherited, as well as him - and he will be a good manager elsewhere imo.  We've moved on now and look to be a different club altogether with a strong looking squad and a positive attitude - no mean achievement in a short space of time.
 
Warren Hill

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Assuming anything would be wrong. What I would say is that it's unlikely we'd have done any worse from the 5 games after he was sacked if we'd retained his services until the end of the season.

Irrespective of whether we'd stayed up or not, he would have been sacked at the end of the season. The failure to beat WBA and subsequent reaction from the crowd brought that forward. Going into the WBA game, our home form had been reasonable and we were strong favourites to win that day but we conceded the early goal and the rest is history.

I do understand the notion of continuity that has been mentioned, Swansea cited as an example but really, they are the only example. Liverpool have tried allsorts unsuccessfully since 1990 and Man United, fabled for giving Ferguson time, hand-picked and lined-up Moyes to continue the Fergie work and he lasted about 10 minutes.

Lambert was a tremendous manager for Norwich City and gave us as good a three years as I can remember but he left for a reason. There's no doubt that we punched above our weight in our first season in the Premier and his ability to maintain that had to be a consideration when perusing the Villa offer. With us having financial commitments that limited our spend for the coming season it's not really a surprise that he departed for Birmingham. A bigger club, more money to spend and another stepping stone for a hungry, ambitious manager.

That Hughton came in and was able to maintain our level by finishing 11th was a huge achievement, it's something like the 5th highest finish in the clubs history and, like it or not, the final league table is a measure of how you perform against every club home and away. You can't discount the victories against WBA and Man C to suit an agenda. Our season didn't finish after 36 games in order to show an unpopular manager in a lesser light. Our season was as dead as Man City's when we won at the Etihad and the beach-ball-bouncing-Baggies managed to stick 5 past United the next weekend so....

We'd out-performed our financial position for the second season in a row, with the debts all but gone we invested at a level more directly comparable to the teams around us and we bought attacking players to take our performances to the next level. We bought a highly-rated striker on the peripheral of the international squad, a combative but technically gifted central midfielder, the top-scorer from the SPL and an up-and-coming wide player to provide the ammo. These incoming players facilitated the exit of club legend Grant Holt (who had wanted to leave earlier only to be convinced to stay by Hughton) but this, in the beginning, wasn't a major consideration because we had "moved on".

Of course as it turned out, we flopped in that transfer window badly. How much of the blame for that people want to apportion to Hughton tends to vary but he has to take some responsibility, as does the scouting team under Ewan Chester that identified these players and the people that signed the cheques. When it became apparent that RVW wasn't the new RVP and we failed to secure a number 10 to upgrade on Wes; we looked to play a more containing game because we didn't have the weapons to hurt teams going forward.

This wasn't pretty to watch but until the WBA game, Hughton was just about doing enough by picking up points at home, our away form though was poor and we threw away opportunities to take points at Cardiff and West Ham in particular that were vital in hindsight.

When we lost to WBA we were 5 points above the drop zone with 5 to play. Fulham were up next and they were dead and buried, we know the rest of course and the performance we put in at Craven Cottage was every bit as abject as that which had passed before. People claimed that it was too late to change the mindset and maybe they're right but for the first time in weeks we could have fielded Tettey, Howson and Fer that day, the triumvirate at the heart of our best performances that season, but we didn't. Hughton might have done, it might have made a difference, we might have lost 4-0.

Our failure in the recruitment stakes cost us dearly but any thought that retaining and playing the heroes from before like Fox, Jackson or Holt or Morison would seem as misguided as our signing policy that summer when you look at their subsequent records.

Could he have kept us up? Possibly. Would he have kept us up? Doubtful. But we didn't improve for sacking him in those last 5 games so if you were in his shoes you might still think you could have and fair play to him for that. It didn't work out here but however hard people try, that first season of his can't be erased from the record books or discredited because of subsequent events. Maybe one day when emotions and ill-feeling around the relegation aren't quite so raw, it will be accepted for what it was, which was a fantastic over-achievement given the financial constraints at the time. Until then he'll be remembered for spending £30m poorly and us being relegated, that's football.

I wonder if Adams would have got the job had we stayed up? How many would still swap him now?

I don't know, but with the start we've had and the strong transfer window that's just closed, we'd probably all be better served concentrating on what might be rather than reminiscing on what might have been. That terrible season when we got relegated to L1 was the catalyst for a hell of a ride subsequently, maybe this relegation will initiate something similar? We can live in hope... ;)  
 
Loyal canary

Loyal canary

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We had hardly got any points away from home he had no chance of going to Fulham to get any
 
Din

Din

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To be fair, Hughton's hardly gonna come out and say: "We were f*cking doomed under my management". But obviously we'll never know, and to be honest, I like where we are at the minute. Yes we want to be in the Premier League, but I don't think this year (assuming it is a year) in the Championship is a bad thing as long as we can get back up quickly. Easier said than done though I know, but now that we've dropped down a division we've been given an opportunity to start again, and so far we're ceasing that chance.
 
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Salopian

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I suppose that there was a chance that he could have done so, - he used to find a win after so many poor results that sacking seemed likely. Perhaps he could have done it once more. It's theoretically possible, but the last few games were played against powerful and hungry teams with better tactics and players than Mr. Hughton could have put out.

I'm glad he's gone, because I didn't like the demoralised and demoralising type of football his teams produced. We may not succeed in promotion this season, but I believe that Adams has already shown that his promise was true - attractive attacking football, by players who want to play and who wan't sensible instructions from the manager. I feel that we have a strong squad, with good cover and flexibility. I am not sure it is the strongest in the Championship, but the players so far seem to be confident and the results encouraging.
 
Ricardo

Ricardo

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i honestly thought that he would do just enough but after the WBA game I knew it was all over for him and for our hopes of staying up. Taking only 1 point from the last half dozen games was always going to kill us.
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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To be fair, Hughton's hardly gonna come out and say: "We were f*cking doomed under my management". But obviously we'll never know, and to be honest, I like where we are at the minute.
Oh certainly, he isn't going to say that. But as soon as the final whistle went at home to West Brom it was obvious to fans, players, the management team, the board, and pretty much anybody who follows football and was aware of our form and last four fixtures that we were down.

Just feels a bit revisionist to me, because he looked like a defeated man after West Brom. One that knew his time was up as well. He was banking on winning that game, not the Fulham game, and when it didn't happen the last 5 games were always going to be nothing other than a final roll of the dice.

The board decided to roll the dice themselves. Appreciate that nobody is going to include anything negative on their CV when applying for a job, or dwell on failure, but it still feels a bit disingenuous for him to imply that he felt we had a good chance of beating Fulham. Nobody felt that way at the time, we all felt like we were relegated at the final whistle against West Brom. 
 
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yellowarmy

yellowarmy

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Who could have envisaged Sunderland going on that amazing late run and avoiding relegation. When you read through their forums after getting beaten by Tottenham, the posts were similar to some of ours now reguarding happy seeing thier team being able to compete more in the Championship and seeing some more wins, In 7 seasons in the Premier they were questioning how many games they had enjoyed apart from the derby games.

But we can't blame our relegation to anyone but ourselves and ultimately Chris Houghton's fate was sealed in a game that had we won would, how the league ended would have kept us up.
 
The Great Mass Debater

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Relegation was a fair price to pay to get rid of him and his team regardless.
Dude, liking your own posts is the metaphorical equivalent of smelling your own farts!  Im keeping of clear of posting on this particular debate. Got far too riled up on one of the other threads about Hughton!
 
Wiz

Wiz

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There were to many things that had gone wrong for CH.for him to suddenly "pull city round"

The style of football was dire, the lack of confidence that started with the strikers and spread throughout the team

The fans and if what has been subsequently stated,the majority of the board , had become disenchanted.

To then expect a win at Fulham after previous no shows against them, shows a level of self delusion befitting the man.

I cannot remember a more "grey" manager that seemed to lack anything that you could "get behind"

I wish him well anywhere NOT NEAR US.

100% agree Matt, but I still wish him well.
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bloodwagon

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C.H. brief was to keep us up and improve on the year before. I think he just wanted to keep us up.

Trouble was, the incomings ( Wolfie and Hooper ) couldnt play togeather, or should i say C.H. wouldnt play them togeather.

Wolfie couldnt and said didnt like playing up front by himself.

So my question is, why didnt we play to Wolfies strenths.

Hooper did a bit better, but still not as many as he wanted. (or us).

I blame C.H.`s tactics, defend and dont lose by many. Strikers didnt really have a chance to score, as we hardly ever attacked
 
The Ghost of Michael Theo

The Ghost of Michael Theo

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I think now that Hughton is looking back at it, the sacking came at a good time for him - career wise.

While I doubt he would have kept us up, we'll never know the truth. As a result, Hughton can keep putting it out into the public domain how we wasn't given a chance, and how unfairly he was treated. As far as Hughton is concerned, he was not responsible for our relegation. At least, that's the narrative he wants to promote.

It must be working too. When I last saw that article, on the little vote thing they had, 71% of readers thought Norwich were wrong to get rid of him.

Goes to show how different things look from the outside in. I don't think you'd meet a single Norwich fan that would vote that way.
 

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