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Norwich vs Brentford (Home) 24th January 2015

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Gaffer

Gaffer

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Is it really a surprise that a manager who has never managed in England and indeed has no experience in English football in the past 10 years is struggling to figure out how to win a game at the top of the English Championship? McNally out!
 
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eatonparkboy

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Do you think it would be a good idea to give AN a pile of money to spend? Quite frankly his management today has been dire.
 
eatonparkboy

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I have just had my screen filled with a picture that could have been Hughton or Adams. Our Manager, arms folded and looking clueless.
 
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CanaryNath

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We looked clueless today.

Tettey and Howson sorely missed, but there's obviously no clear system in place to allow someone else to step into their roles and understand exactly what is expected, meaning a complete change of approach, and a lot of chasing shadows/getting caught out of position.

Brentford had it easy today. 
 
Canaryboy

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I've got a few opinions:

  1. We need to make sure Alex Neil is given the funds to sign the players that we need, especially a left winger.
  2. I don't care how much of a dickwad Bassong is, he's better than what we have at the moment. Thats a begruding acknowledgement.
  3. If we need to sell Olsson to achieve number one then I'm all for it, I don't think Olsson is anything special.
  4. Despite all of the above mitigating factors, I thought Neil's use of subs today was poor, wrong players at the wrong time.
  5. There was no reason whatsoever for the players to have put in a shaky performance like that after two wins on the trot, they've played together enough to be able to string a few passes together. I don't think you can blame Neil's system (whatever it was supposed to be) for a complete inability to string together three passes or find an outlet without resorting to punting the ball back to Ruddy or playing 'hit and hope'. Olsson was the worst culprit for this (see point 3),although in Olsson's defence, he had to play behind three different players today.... none of which were actually left midfielders.
 
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The Great Mass Debater

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Looking at the Watford game, if ever there was a game of two halves...

I had optimism for the rest of the season but its just completely evaporated. Shambolic performance today. Dont know if this is just the manager trying to introduce his ideas and the players not getting it, or perhaps deciding they're not doing it (in rebellion at an inexperienced lower-league player younger than some of them telling them what to do),but the players seemed not to have a clue today. No organisation, couldnt string a pass together.

Brentford were easily the better team but both goals were self inflicted. Our right-back playing at centre-back (guess we'll find out later how much this was enforced or a tactical move) gives away possession when we're advanced up the pitch (good execution by Brentford),then a stupid penalty.

Cant think of a single positive to take from this game.

I hadnt written off the season but I am doing now. 

I genuinely thought we'd do the business today, leapfrog Brentford and press on. I know others have lost but we seem to have taken a giant step backwards today in a vital game. 

Forgetting about the automatic promotion slots, to go up via the play-offs we have to be able to beat the other teams in it. Playing like that I wouldnt back us to beat any of them.

Think the remainder of this season is going to be transition. Guess we'll find out how much Alex Neil has in him. Could any of the lack of organisation today be due to the loss of Phelan? Are we not a coach down having also lost Robson?
 
eatonparkboy

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Can't agree CanaryBoy. I know it is early but I already have doubts about our new manager.

It was big hoof ball from the back for most of the match and we were out possessed, naturally if you give them the ball back every time, at home.

What is it with bloody systems?

Two top in form strikers at Carrow Road that has seen 16 home goals in the last four matches but the determination to play a bloody silly formation by a manager who had a totally different set of circumstances up in Scotland beggars belief.

All our coaching staff have been in Scotland and the only link we had to our game down here, naturally left because of the circumstances he found himself in.

If this guy really is the answer then we are now going to have to face that we are probably playing for pride and next season. Because he certainly can't organise the squad he has right now.

We saw the defensive frailty in the last match against a worse team than Brentford. And if Bassong was on the bench then he is fit enough to play because Turner should have gone and he would have had to come on. We had enough warnings in the first 10 minutes and yet nothing was changed. Why do managers wait for an hour before they do anything?

And to be honest, right now, I am shuddering to think what will happen when AN is given a few million to spend.
 
Gaffer

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Alex Neil has to make an immediate impact or everyone, players and fans, are going to ask 'does this guy have a clue what he's doing?' At the moment it looks like a big no so how can the players take him seriously, how can the fans give him their support? We could have had the next Alex Ferguson as manager but we've ended up with someone who has no idea what to do outside the world Hamilton Academical. 
 
Canaryboy

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I'm not going to say that he is out of his depth after one defeat to a team who were 5th, but it was a very poor performance and I'm looking forward to seeing how he responds. I hope his first action will be to corner McNally tonight and let him know in no uncertain terms that if the club don't bring in a couple of key signings he can't get us promoted.

I constantly hear that we've got the best squad in the league. I doubt it. We may have the highest number of big name players, perhaps even the highest number of Prem quality players. But I'd swap our back four for Brentford's back four, and I bet there aren't any teams above us who don't even have a recognised left winger above the age of 19. Don't say Lafferty, I don't care what people say, he's no winger.

How have we managed to get this far without signing a left winger? It was clear within about a month of the season starting that it was a majorly weak part of the squad. You may have a Dyson vacuum, but if it has one of its components missing it isn't going to function as well as a cheap Hitachi.

The defense situation is and has been a shambles since the start of the season. Neil has taken his first step towards remedying that by bringing Bassong back in from the cold and shipping out Hooiveld, who clearly wasn't the required standard. The fact that Neil Adams blew £1.5m of our transfer budget on Miquel who neither he nor Neil feels ready for first team football (hence why he hasn't been picked) is depressing, and I lay the blame for our defensive shambles firmly at the feet of Neil Adams. He signed three centre backs and not one of them was good enough on a consistent basis.

Michael Turner was rubbish today, but we've left ourselves without any centre back with pace. No matter which two we pick out of Martin, Turner, Cuellar and Hooiveld we're desperately short of pace at the back. Ryan Bennett has a bit of pace but he's been out for the months. We've got some serious weaknesses in our squad and I feel that it is probably time that we acknowledge that we're probably 7th in the league due to those weaknesses.

Perhaps we need to start thinking of our squad as one which needs some improvement in order to progress, instead of looking upon it as the strongest squad in the league and then judging any manager against that high expectation. I'm not saying that this means Neil Adams should have been given more time, he has in my opinion caused this problem. He's signed three centre backs, the best of whom is mediocre. He's sold all of our wingers.

Alex Neil at least deserves the opportunity to bring a few players in and ship a few players out, before we write him off. Because we are are a few players short of being able to seriously say that we're as strong as Derby County. We've got an inflated view of the standard of our squad, we aren't as good as we think we are. The fans need to admit it, Neil needs to hammer that point home to McNally, and McNally needs to admit it.
 
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Dubai Mark

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Today anyone could see it wasnt working after 10-15 minutes, yet when we get a change its at half time and hardly a tactical change. Then it still took an age to make the next changes when again it was clear things were not working......this is what worries me, our new man did, today, appear to be inept. I am also taking in to account the injury situation, still enough left to do better than he did today.......Whittaker had an impossible task and the back four were as a result left exposed to the pace and guile of Brentford. I am seriously worried now, and I know thats not giving the new man a chance, but that was seriously poor, our confidence is so fragile its scary ........... 
 
Gaffer

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The trouble is Alex Neil, like Neil Adams, has no experience in the transfer market so can we really be confident he has the ability to strengthen the squad? Will top players want to come and play for him?
 
eatonparkboy

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You are right about the squad. It isn't as good as we think it was. But why are we defending as badly against Championship players as we did Prem ones?

Yes, Adams was poor in his signings, particularly at CB. And I for the life of me don't comprehend the Miquel signing.

But why, when it is so patently obvious that we defend better with Cuellar and Martin than Turner and Cuellar with Whittaker at RB, did it get changed? The last three halves of football have been a disgrace defensively. We can blame Bradley for not being the best passer all the time or Tettey and Howson are missing but to be honest Turner is utter sh-ite. Watch their first goal and how he backed off initially and offered the guy to run into our box was under 11's naivety. So what did AN see at training that convinced him to restore Turner despite us winning well without him? Fact is under AN we were hanging on against Cardiff and were well beaten by Brentford. He can't claim the Bournemouth game.

At the moment, I feel that AN has meddled with something and made it worse. Is his ego so big that he wanted it his way? Is that why Phelan left? I hope I'm wrong and he is just fiddling with things and tuning it to his style. But I have to take every game on its own merits. And today, as much as  anything, was the managers fault for his wrong selection, lack of style and poor tactics. And if he is the granite Scot he tries to portray, he will admit that and vow to change it.
 
Yellow Fever

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I'm sorry, CB, but it's not just an issue of bringing new players in. The hoofball tactics were abysmal. The mid-field was in disarray with no-one knowing what anyone else was doing. It's not just an issue of Neil vs Adams, it's an issue of Neil and McAvoy vs Adams and Phelan. The disarray was down to that IMO. We got lucky against Bournemouth and Cardiff, but luck never lasts forever. I fear we've become the new Fulham, appointing a new manager every 3 months. I never understood this appointment in the first place, and I understand it even less now. 
 
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Trevmuttley

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We definitely need some major surgery within the squad, fresh blood is needed to shake things up. I've now given up on this season because I think it is to big a gap to catch, it would be feasible if the top six went into free fall which seems unlikely after Watfords demolition of Blackpool after going in at half time 2 - 0 down. The players have got to hold their hands up it wasn't Real Madrid they were up against.
 
Canaryboy

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I may be wrong, but I don't think McAvoy has arrived yet? He was still at Hamilton two days ago anyway.
 
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Canaryboy

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McAvoy will be here "in a week or so", perhaps that's the missing part.
 
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