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Carry-on thread from end of Derby match thread as topic now locked.

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Thank you for your post it was really interesting to read. Which Uni are you going to (do you know yet?)

Do you think youth football was a good thing in your life? We talked about the 2% that are still in football at the age of 25. Do you think football is a distraction?

You're obviously very smart as well (which probably isnt true for a number of lads who end up good enough to play at youth level, so it probably doesnt detract from a lot of lads education) and thinking about Tom Adeyemi and the choice he had to make and the example cited earlier in the thread - do you think football could be a distraction for young kids at a really important time qualification-wise?

I got straight A's and ended up at University for 7 years, but I had to work at it, and I know that if Id had my head turned by the prospect of Youth Football, I probably wouldnt have got the academic grades I did. That would definitely have affected my life in a Sliding Doors kind of way.

Considering how few kids actually make a living out of football, if it is a distraction at a vital time, that adversely affects their grades, could football be a negative influence on a number of people?
 
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Sorry I shouldn't have locked that thread so early, was rude of me, completely forgot about that little ongoing convo! 
 
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Sorry I shouldn't have locked that thread so early, was rude of me, completely forgot about that little ongoing convo! 
No problem, not a closed conversation, the more the merrier!
 
Din

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Carry-on thread from end of Derby match thread as topic now locked.

In reply to Din-

Thank you for your post it was really interesting to read. Which Uni are you going to (do you know yet?)

Do you think youth football was a good thing in your life? We talked about the 2% that are still in football at the age of 25. Do you think football is a distraction?

You're obviously very smart as well (which probably isnt true for a number of lads who end up good enough to play at youth level, so it probably doesnt detract from a lot of lads education) and thinking about Tom Adeyemi and the choice he had to make and the example cited earlier in the thread - do you think football could be a distraction for young kids at a really important time qualification-wise?

I got straight A's and ended up at University for 7 years, but I had to work at it, and I know that if Id had my head turned by the prospect of Youth Football, I probably wouldnt have got the academic grades I did. That would definitely have affected my life in a Sliding Doors kind of way.

Considering how few kids actually make a living out of football, if it is a distraction at a vital time, that adversely affects their grades, could football be a negative influence on a number of people?
Aha good I'm glad someone found it interesting :D I'll be going to either Lincoln or Anglia Ruskin Uni next year. Neither are actually my real preferences but my Sixth Form cocked up last year, and that *bleep*-up means that I only now do 2 subjects rather than 3 which is standard. By doing 2 it's now pretty much impossible for me to get enough points to get into the top Uni's. That said though I've visited both Lincoln and Anglia Ruskin, and I was impressed by both, so I'm certainly not gonna complain about that.
 
In regards to my life, I'd certainly say youth football was definitely a good thing. I mean yes, I'd love to have a career in it. But the main reason that I play football is because I love playing it. It just so happens that I was deemed good enough to have a shot at working my way through the ranks from the Millwall academy. But once I left Millwall I still continued playing for a Sunday league team, and I loved it just as much as when I played in an academy. So the fact that I had the opportunity to play at the highest level possibly for a 14 year old was a great experience for me. And plus I do have to admit that I do feel a little bit of pride when I see players such as Will Hughes and Demarai Gray playing at such a high level, knowing that I was only playing against them about 4 years ago. Will Hughes as an example as well, played against Norwich on Saturday, playing against players that I idolise myself, it does make me feel a bit proud thinking about it. All that said though, I did stop playing for Millwall when I was 14. There was a lot less pressure on us than there was on say the 17/18 year old's currently in various academies. Perhaps if I'd continued until I was 16/17/18, when obviously school work and exams start becoming that little bit more important, then I could certainly see it becoming a distraction. When you get to under 18 level, you start getting paid for playing. Obviously by paying young footballers to simply play in youth teams, it is now officially a proper job for these lads. I think that's when it starts to become dangerous. I've never been in that situation, but if I was, I think I would naturally sort of expect that the next step would be to play in the first team. It's like any job really, for example if you do an apprenticeship at any company, and you're getting paid for doing that apprenticeship, then the next natural thing would be that that company offer you a full-time contract. However football doesn't work like that. In football they can simply tell you as a youth player that you're not ever gonna be good enough for the first team here, and they can release you without any obligations. As I said, I think that's where it can become damaging, because at the age of 17/18, you decide the next step in your life. If you're a bright kid who gets good grades and has the prospect of going to Uni, and yet you put all your eggs in one basket with football then it could really come back to bite you. Obviously some people though (such as the guy CB was talking about in the other thread) choose not to pursue football, no matter how good they are, which in my eyes would certainly be the sensible decision, but I suppose if everybody did that then nobody would ever become a footballer.
 
I mean right now one of my best mates is doing this. He's a really clever guy, much cleverer than me. Gets great grades and could have the pick of any Uni he wanted really. But instead next year he's going to America to do a football scholarship, paying much more than he would to go to uni in England, despite the fact that he's never even played in an academy or anything like that. He's a good footballer for his age, but there are lads I have played with who are vastly more talented than he is and yet they have and never will make it, so in my mind certainly I'm not sure what he's doing it for. He's got his heart set on it though, simply because he loves football. 
 
I've never really thought about it before in much depth, but now that I have I think football can certainly have a real detrimental on young people. If you give up everything in order to try and become a footballer and it all goes wrong (as it does with 98% of youth footballers) then it's gonna have a massive impact on your life in a negative way, and you could end up making up for it for years after. For example, if you're a smart kid, but you stop revising for exams because you think it's more beneficial that you go and play football instead to make you a better footballer which gives you more chance of making it, then you could really horribly mess up your life. 
 
Thanks for calling me smart as well, been called a lot of things down the years, but can't say I've been called that too many times :D
 
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You're clearly smart, it comes across very obviously in the way you write. Not wishing to sound patronising either, but you are incredibly mature for your age as well. Im 33 now so it only feels like yesterday that I was your age, I rememeber being 18 like it happened yesterday but for someone your age Im probably really old!

I know for a fact though that if I had any reason to think I might have a career in football, I would have found it a massive distraction. Even now I wonder about some kind of role as a coach, even though I have a really good career.

I think as football is short career and happens when you are young, you have to pursue it first. Look at Slaven Bilic, he's a qualified lawyer I believe.

If you have the chance, play football when that brief window is open. You can become anything else at 35, that career will still be waiting for you, as long as football didnt corrupt you and stopped you getting the grades for that career.

Tom Adeyemi has done the sensible thing. He has the grades I believe, but he's put that on hold whilst the football window is open - and good for him
 
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You also get players who "make it", and then decide that they don't actually enjoy football and quit the game to pursue something else. Not just those scraping around at the bottom earning no more than they would as a teacher or a police officer either, can you remember Espen Baardsen the Spurs keeper (later Watford?). 

He did a degree with the open university whilst playing, and then quit football at 25 when he graduated with a degree in economics, traveled the world for a year and then went to work in 'the city' as a fund manager or something. He was an Everton player when quitting, it wasn't like he was going from club to club in League Two wondering whether it was all worth it. He's 37 now, and as a keeper could probably still be in the game now, 12 years later, if he'd wanted that. 

It does beg the question, is it all worth it for players to put all their eggs into one basket, only to "make it", only to wonder what all the fuss was about. You get a bit of fame, a bit of money, sometimes a lot of money, some players win things, some players don't, but it is just a job like any other isn't it? 
 
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You also get players who "make it", and then decide that they don't actually enjoy football and quit the game to pursue something else. Not just those scraping around at the bottom earning no more than they would as a teacher or a police officer either, can you remember Espen Baardsen the Spurs keeper (later Watford?). 

He did a degree with the open university whilst playing, and then quit football at 25 when he graduated with a degree in economics, traveled the world for a year and then went to work in 'the city' as a fund manager or something. He was an Everton player when quitting, it wasn't like he was going from club to club in League Two wondering whether it was all worth it. He's 37 now, and as a keeper could probably still be in the game now, 12 years later, if he'd wanted that. 

It does beg the question, is it all worth it for players to put all their eggs into one basket, only to "make it", only to wonder what all the fuss was about. You get a bit of fame, a bit of money, sometimes a lot of money, some players win things, some players don't, but it is just a job like any other isn't it? 
David Bentley of course quit at 29 due to a lack of interest. He was criticised, but essentially he decided he didnt need to be any richer, had lost interest and didnt want to continue picking up big fat paycheques for something he didnt want to do. Cant really understand why that garnered so much criticism really, if anything he wasnt a mercenary. Came into the game quite late I believe, sure I read somewhere he'd never played until the age of 14 and was ppicked up almost straight away.

Think Assou-Ekoto also came out as not following football and it being just a job for him

I think Im right when I say Nedum Onuoha has a degree from one of the Manchester Universities... Think I read he was spotted in athletics rather than football, which leads me onto something I wanted to ask yesterday - do some kids appear good at youth level because they are precocious - either physically or skillfully, but then fade away as the others catch them up?

I remember we had this lad at our junior school who was ridiculously developed compared to us. He had size 13 feet when we were just size 5 or something like that. He was so strong, and even though he wasnt that great at football, if he was on your side you'd win because he was an absolute powerhouse and none of us stood a chance! He would be the kind of lad that might stand out at youth level, but in mens football loses his advantage because all the others have caught up
 
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David Bentley of course quit at 29 due to a lack of interest. He was criticised, but essentially he decided he didnt need to be any richer, had lost interest and didnt want to continue picking up big fat paycheques for something he didnt want to do. Cant really understand why that garnered so much criticism really, if anything he wasnt a mercenary. Came into the game quite late I believe, sure I read somewhere he'd never played until the age of 14 and was ppicked up almost straight away.
Have to strongly disagree here. This is the David Bentley who was on £3m per year for 5 years at Spurs, was released at the end of his contract having earned £15m before tax, then had several trials at Championship clubs as a free agent but was rejected by all of them, who then "retired" and admitted that he'd not been interested in football for the duration of his 5 years Spurs contract? (During which time he got himself fat and unfit). 

If any club had been stupid enough to hand him a decent contract to somebody who wasn't interested in actually being a footballer or maintaining the level of fitness expected of a footballer but was interested in taking money from football clubs then he'd still be a 'footballer', and if he was genuinely quitting because he wasn't interested, as he claimed, he'd have quit years ago. He is the very definition of a mercenary in my eyes! 
 
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Depends on your point of view I guess. If you were in his shoes would you have turned down that kind of money? I dont think anyone in their right mind would, I suppose the thing in question is work ethic. I would feel pretty guilty getting paid that amount of money and giving nothing back to my employers, the question is whether he was truly not professional enough to abide by a contract signed in good faith - ie keep fit and train and compete for a place.

Surely if he'd wilfully refused to comply to the fitness regulations stipulated at the club then Spurs could have terminated his contract? Or does player power give them just too much protection in regards to this?

Im sure he could have gotten another pay day if he'd wanted one, theres always a desperate club with an offer
 
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Din

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You're clearly smart, it comes across very obviously in the way you write. Not wishing to sound patronising either, but you are incredibly mature for your age as well. Im 33 now so it only feels like yesterday that I was your age, I rememeber being 18 like it happened yesterday but for someone your age Im probably really old!

I know for a fact though that if I had any reason to think I might have a career in football, I would have found it a massive distraction. Even now I wonder about some kind of role as a coach, even though I have a really good career.

I think as football is short career and happens when you are young, you have to pursue it first. Look at Slaven Bilic, he's a qualified lawyer I believe.

If you have the chance, play football when that brief window is open. You can become anything else at 35, that career will still be waiting for you, as long as football didnt corrupt you and stopped you getting the grades for that career.

Tom Adeyemi has done the sensible thing. He has the grades I believe, but he's put that on hold whilst the football window is open - and good for him
Aha thanks. And nah, I don't think 33 is too old at all. I'd say people who are 40 plus are old in my mind (with respect of course to anyone that age or older :D )

And yeah, I agree with what you say about playing football when you have the chance, and then pursuing something else when that short football career has finished, as long as you're not distracted so much that you don't get good enough grades as a kid as you say.
 
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22 was the hardest age for me... having to accept that England U21 cap was never going to happen   ;)
 
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:D There's time for you yet mate, remember Kevin Davies didn't make his England debut until he was 33. 
 

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