Looks like we've signed Brady!

[Suffolk Canary]

Still don't believe that we're spending 7 mill on him.

If the ever-reliable twitter is to be believed, we've agreed to forget about part of the Snodgrass fee Hull have yet to pay to help get the deal over the line, which would essentially make it more like a £9m transfer.  You'd do well to get a Premier League quality left mid for less than £7m these days. 

 

[Beauseant]

If by that you mean @Unknown12345678 then forget it. He's a fake, like most of the ITKs.

 

[KeiranShikari]

I think the 7m fee that we ''agreed'' was rubbish in the first place. The fact that both clubs have still said negotiating should have proven that, I'm pretty sure Hull would snap their own hand off for 7m.

 

[Beauseant]

Fees are very rarely clear cut, with add-ons and relegation clauses and so on. Plus we never publish them.

 

[eatonparkboy]

Can someone tell me how much say in a player movement that the manager has nowadays? Clearly the advent of director's of football and CEO's has probably meant there is some form of committee decision and surely the board can still veto any deal?

And I don't understand the feeling abroad that if Hull paid too much for Snodgrass, then we must balance the deal by paying too much for Brady. Just offer what you consider is the proper value and if they don't accept it then move on.

 

[KeiranShikari]

We don't have a director of football but yeah, we have a team that work on recruitment together. McNally has stated in the past that the manager is the main man though. Signing of Tony Andreu and Neil pulling out of a deal on a snap judgment show that this is the case.

I'd be interested to know how many of last summer's deals were Adams suggestions. 

 

[Canaryboy]

Assuming that the fee was £7m... 

I don't really understand why people think that £7m is a particularly large amount of money for a 23 year old who is one of Ireland's better players and has shown that he is good enough to play in this league. Especially a left footed player, they are in short supply. 

I personally think it is well worth paying a premium for players who have shown their mettle in this league, over imported players who are always a gamble and hit-and-miss. 

The alternative was probably signing Ross McCormack for a similar kind of fee and playing him out wide, and he'd probably bring a few more goals, but the difference is that he's 28, completely untested at this level, can't play wing back, can't play left back, and won't retain his value because he should currently be at his peak or very close to it. He can play up front, but he doesn't improve on what we have in that position.

Or taking a punt on an import, that's always a gamble. 

People don't seem to have noticed that we've got a relatively old squad, plenty of players 28/29/30/31. So I'm happy that we gone for a player who hopefully has his best years ahead of him and may still be here in 5 years time. 

 

[Suffolk Canary]

If by that you mean @Unknown12345678 then forget it. He's a fake, like most of the ITKs.

They're all fakes, but he's by far the most entertaining!

 

[Suffolk Canary]

Assuming that the fee was £7m... 

I don't really understand why people think that £7m is a particularly large amount of money for a 23 year old who is one of Ireland's better players and has shown that he is good enough to play in this league. Especially a left footed player, they are in short supply. 

This..  

So many people have still got their heads in the days of paying 2/3m for a decent player.  £7m for a proven Premier league level winger is nothing out of the ordinary. 

 

[Canaryboy]

This..  

So many people have still got their heads in the days of paying 2/3m for a decent player.  £7m for a proven Premier league level winger is nothing out of the ordinary. 

Yep, that's just what has happened to transfer fees. They've risen faster than London rents. 

We sold Dean Ashton for £7m but that was almost a decade ago, that would probably be £15m now. More if selling to Liverpool. 

 

[KeiranShikari]

Am not struggling to get my head around modern day transfer fees [not in this case anyway]. I just don't think we'd go in at 2m if we were willing to bid 7m plus. Unless I've missed something nobody has confirmed any bids higher than 3m. Papers reported that we'd doubled our 3m bid only for Bruce to rubbish them.

 

[Yellow Fever]

I still think £7m is steep for Brady, but if AN feels he's worth that then that's OK with me. It all depends on the add-ons really. It's doubtful that Hull will pay any add-ons for Snoddy's appearances or PL survival.

 

[Canaryboy]

Am not struggling to get my head around modern day transfer fees [not in this case anyway]. I just don't think we'd go in at 2m if we were willing to bid 7m plus. Unless I've missed something nobody has confirmed any bids higher than 3m. Papers reported that we'd doubled our 3m bid only for Bruce to rubbish them.

So far this summer Premier League clubs have collectively signed 57 players in transfers involving a fee, and of those 54 are "undisclosed".

So we just have to accept that football isn't transparent anymore, and we've got no choice but to accept the figures that the media report until/unless somebody from either club decides to tell us. We get to see total spend for the year in the accounts, other than that we're left in the dark. 

 

[Indy_Bones]

I personally think it is well worth paying a premium for players who have shown their mettle in this league, over imported players who are always a gamble and hit-and-miss.

The problem is that often it's not a like for like comparison and the 7mil we might be paying for Brady would in fact get us a genuinely better player from the continent - IF they settle and perform as expected.

I'd rather take the gamble and go for the best possible player, than hedge my bets and pay the same money simply to guarantee competence.

I remember a couple of years back (last season before relegation under Hughton), where I suggested (and apparently some people turned it into typical rumours) we look to sign Nacer Chadli who had been performing well and looked like a real talent for the future, and he instead ended up going to Spurs for approx the same money as we're now meant to be paying for Brady (if rumours have any substance), and I don't think there's many fans (although I could be wrong) who would rather take Brady over Chadli given the choice...

We couldn't buy Chadli for 7mil now, but I'm pretty sure there are other players out there of a similar level (which is above Brady's) who would cost a similar or even lesser amount.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Brady, nor do I think he's a bad player, I just don't currently rate him in line with his supposed valuation, and also feel there are probably better options available as well.

 

[KeiranShikari]

 and we've got no choice but to accept the figures that the media report until/unless somebody from either club decides to tell us.  

Here's me not accepting the figures the press make up. 

 

[Canaryboy]

I still think £7m is steep for Brady, but if AN feels he's worth that then that's OK with me. It all depends on the add-ons really. It's doubtful that Hull will pay any add-ons for Snoddy's appearances or PL survival.

How much are we rumoured to have paid for Dorrans? £2m wasn't it? 

If so..... Dorrans + Mulumbu + Brady = £9m in transfer fees. 

Looks like decent business to me, even if we have had to pay a bit of a premium for a left footed player. I know this is the third time I've said it, but who else could we realistically have signed on that left side? Not really seen any suggestions. 

 

[Canaryboy]

Here's me not accepting the figures the press make up. 

All good, and understandable, but does it really matter what the transfer fee is?

We can accept that some shirts at the club with a calculator have decided that we can afford Brady, and Alex Neil has decided that he wants to sign him. That's all that really matters. 

For what its worth, a member of this forum reported having a discussion with McNally about the Snodgrass transfer and implied on here that the £7m fee reported for him in the media was accurate. 

If we got £7m for Snodgrass from Hull then I don't see it being unrealistic at all for us to be paying £7m for Brady. 

 

[Suffolk Canary]

So far this summer Premier League clubs have collectively signed 57 players in transfers involving a fee, and of those 54 are "undisclosed".

So we just have to accept that football isn't transparent anymore, and we've got no choice but to accept the figures that the media report until/unless somebody from either club decides to tell us. We get to see total spend for the year in the accounts, other than that we're left in the dark. 

It's been like that for several years now. I personally can't remember a time when Norwich actually told us what we paid for a player.  But there's so many people involved in transfer deals, and most top journalists have genuine links to the club that the figures reported are usually very close to what it actually is. It's only things like add-ons which make the true fee a bit of a mystery. 

And when McNally bid £2m he wouldve been 100% aware it would be rejected. It's just testing the water. And as CanaryBoy said, spending only £2m so far on players would leave a big amount of our budget spare, so i dont think it's unbelievable to start at £2m and end up at £7m. I'm sure he wouldve been hoping for more like 5/6m, but none of us will be arguing over 1 or 2 million if we stay up and that juicy new TV deal comes in 

 

[Canaryboy]

so i dont think it's unbelievable to start at £2m

Especially when you know you are dealing with a club whose manager effectively publicly valued Andrew Robertson at £30m in early June. 

 

[Boyerboy]

All good, but does it really matter what the transfer fee is?

We can accept that some shirts at the club with a calculator have decided that we can afford Brady, and Alex Neil has decided that he wants to sign him. That's all that really matters.

Bang on.

It's like the price of your car and your house in isolation are meaningless. What matters is can you afford the new one with the sale proceeds and your savings. With football transfers it's whether the price of the player is within your resources and that player will add value.

There have been loads of "He's only worth xxxx" type tweets. Presumably born of Manager games where getting the value of a player is important.

Value is not a fact. It is an opinion. Sterling would only be worth a few million to us because that is all we can afford. Sterling is worth £47m to Man City because they've got that money and are willing to pay it.

Brady is worth whatever McNally and Neil can afford and are willing to pay.