Southampton model

[BroadstairsR]

Ronald Koerman in his office, "There are some nice pictures on the wall. We might have to sell them." 

Apparently Southampton entered the summer having to make repayments of £22m on outstanding transfer fees and with costs relating to the redevelopment of the training ground having risen from £15m to more than £30m. Liebherr has converted £33m of the club’s loans into equity.

So perhaps the 'Southampton Model' is not so perfect after all.

 It does seem that they were in such a position of financial imprudence whereby they were actually obliged, if not forced, to sell off their talent.

Their wages bill must have been quite immense as they will have had a very big cut from last season's successful PL participation. We got £60m+ after all.

Perhaps the 'Southampton Model' is not that perfect after all.

Debt, sooner or later, one way or another will bring all clubs to their knees and I now suspect the Saints to be firmly amongst the also-rans next season.

We must never under-estimated the position of strength that NCFC currently occupies due to it's lack of indebtedness.

Let us now hope that this transfers it's self into an improved status.

We might even pass the Saints on their way down.  

 

[morty]

Remember when we were aspiring to "The Charlton model" lol?

 

[splutcho]

It'll be the Norwich model one of these days. I'm glad we have "the cook"!

 

[morty]

It'll be the Norwich model one of these days. I'm glad we have "the cook"!

Its odd that you never hear us praised for the way we run our club, I'm biased, but I think we conduct ourselves pretty well!

 

[morty]

I heard the current owners are basically asset stripping before they sell the club. Sounds likely.

 

[Yellowfuture]

Remember when we were aspiring to "The Charlton model" lol?

I remember the Charlton model, it worked for a while but eventually failed, I don't think there is any model as such,for most clubs like us you strike it lucky for a while and then you don't. To be honest if there is any model that seems to work at the moment you have to say it is the Swans, I admit they are my second team, but you can't help where you're born. The big thing they seem to have done well is adopt a style of play, Martinez, and tried to stick with it. They have had luck along the way and will undoubtedly end up going down again before too long, but at least they did try to play and sustain a style of footy.

 

[Yellowfuture]

Nice to see the quote function works too!

 

[morty]

I remember the Charlton model, it worked for a while but eventually failed, I don't think there is any model as such,for most clubs like us you strike it lucky for a while and then you don't. To be honest if there is any model that seems to work at the moment you have to say it is the Swans, I admit they are my second team, but you can't help where you're born. The big thing they seem to have done well is adopt a style of play, Martinez, and tried to stick with it. They have had luck along the way and will undoubtedly end up going down again before too long, but at least they did try to play and sustain a style of footy.

No, totally agree with your Swansea

 

[Moosheep]

For clubs the size of Norwich there has yet to be a model that has proven to deliver long term success. We are unlikely to (and imho should not) buy success so when we are in the PL we are always going to be one poor appointment or run of poor form or spate of injuries or back luck etc from being in a relegation fight. This is the same for Southampton, Swansea and a whole host of PL/Champ mid-sized clubs who will all go through periods of success and stability and periods when things don't go so well. With the risk of sounding like Delia, the 'ambition with prudence' model is possibly the best model for teams such as ours to adopt. It won't deliver success year after year but it will give a better chance of bouncing back from poor seasons.

Moo

 

[morty]

For clubs the size of Norwich there has yet to be a model that has proven to deliver long term success. We are unlikely to (and imho should not) buy success so when we are in the PL we are always going to be one poor appointment or run of poor form or spate of injuries or back luck etc from being in a relegation fight. This is the same for Southampton, Swansea and a whole host of PL/Champ mid-sized clubs who will all go through periods of success and stability and periods when things don't go so well. With the risk of sounding like Delia, the 'ambition with prudence' model is possibly the best model for teams such as ours to adopt. It won't deliver success year after year but it will give a better chance of bouncing back from poor seasons.

Moo

Wasn't the plan always to "yoyo" for a season or two before becoming established anyway? I think we are doing things very much the right way.

 

[Yellow Fever]

I think the McNally model of careful financial management (prudence if you must) while also making sure any spare money goes into the team is the right way to go about it. No land deals or other investments, just the football. Relegation will be a test, but so far, so good, IMO.

 

[Safri15]

Out of the top clubs, I quite admire what Arsene Wenger has done at Arsenal, especially considering the stick he has got from Arsenal fans over the years. He has got them in a really good position where they can now afford to splash the cash and have a shiny new ground that they have no problem filling. He basically bought young, developed and sold for a massive profit. Ok, selling their best players year in year out, but now they won't need to do that and can afford top wages without crippling the club. Only problem is the lack of silverware over the years, but think that will start to change now, a la, last seasons cup win.

 

[The Ghost of Michael Theo]

Wasn't the plan always to "yoyo" for a season or two before becoming established anyway?...

I believe this is currently known as the West Brom model.

However that would also mean once established, we need to sack managers every 6 months or so.

 

[The Great Mass Debater]

Think most of the noises coming out of the ashes of our relegation was the real lack of direction we had after the change in management when Lambert left. Lambert had an approach which had been very popular and very successful (the Holy grail). Hughton brought in the opposite. Hughton inherited a team set up to play one way, and tried to make us polar opposites of what we were before. All the chopping and changing and in the end headless-chickening is what did for us. Lamberts legacy was not maintained. You cant imagine Swansea abandoning 'the Swansea way' whatever happened to them. I think with us developing a management structure and open talk of the Norwich way, the club want to make a concerted effort to commit to a certain philosophy, and then breed this at all levels, and maintain it with managerial changes. You cant have complete u-turns in philosophy every time the manager is changed. We didnt have a 'Norwich way'. Looks like we're trying to breed one which can only be good news. Means we wont be bringing in inappropriate players, upsetting current players by changing the way they play, and most importantly we wont be upsetting the fans. Very healthy I feel

 

[The Great Mass Debater]

How awesome is the edit button - just corrected some errors withouth having to make another post!  Oh wait...

 

[admin]

How awesome is the edit button - just corrected some errors withouth having to make another post!  Oh wait...

Changing that is very high on the list of priorities, posters will get a couple of minutes to remedy errors, after that only a mod or admin will be able to edit upon request. 

 

[Yellow Fever]

That's fine, Chief, but it's embarrassing to look back at our mistakes and have to post again to correct them. Maybe half an hour for edits?

 

[lappinitup]

That's fine, Chief, but it's embarrassing to look back at our mistakes and have to post again to correct them. Maybe half an hour for edits?

Five minutes should be enough.

 

[morty]

Changing that is very high on the list of priorities, posters will get a couple of minutes to remedy errors, after that only a mod or admin will be able to edit upon request. 

I have seen on another forum where it stamps that the post has been edited, then if you hit the quote button it shows you it pre and post edit, is that an option? But really, the whole thing should never be an issue, as people should realise how childish it is going back and editing, just to try and win a petty argument.

 

[BroadstairsR]

Changing that is very high on the list of priorities, posters will get a couple of minutes to remedy errors, after that only a mod or admin will be able to edit upon request. 

I see no problem at all with an Edit button.

If there is to be a time limit, however, two minutes will be no time to add afterthoughts etc., which I tend to do a lot. 

I think that the button should be active until the post receives a reply, or is followed, if that is possible.