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Norwich City vs Watford (Home) Friday 8th November.

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OldRobert

OldRobert

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I thought DF would be safe this season. However unless there are some points on the board by Jan 1 I don't think the Webberlutional will survive. That ridiculous injury list is slowly improving......................nothing else is.
 
Din

Din

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Dunno what to say really. So so poor. As bad as I've seen us play since we lost 3-0 to Leeds at the beginning of last season. We just had absolutely nothing about us. First half wasn't terrible, though our tactics did seem to be 'give it to Hernandez and hope he does something', which to be fair was occasionally working as he was a threat. But 2nd half was just appalling. I never at any point, even when Watford went down to 10 men, thought we were going to score a goal, let alone get the 2 we needed to get something out the game. This is a Watford side by the way that were pretty bad themselves, not hard to see why they were rooted to the bottom of the table without a league win before this one, yet we somehow managed to find a way to be even worse than them.

Not really sure why Farke started Tettey at centre back even though he said in the week that Amadou was fully fit. Also not sure why Vrancic isn't being bought on until the 81st minute when we really need a goal and have 2 more conservative midfielders, Trybull and McLean, on the pitch. Also not sure why Moritz Leitner isn't deemed good enough for the 18 and yet Srbeny is? I love Farke but you have to wonder what he's thinking with some of those decisions.

Earlier in the season we were being called naive when perhaps it wasn't warranted. Yesterday aspects of our performance were incredibly naive. Buendia losing the ball halfway inside his own half with 70 seconds on the clock, when he knows Godfrey is out of position, is stupidly naive. When you're in a rut like we are the one thing you just simply cannot afford to do is concede a stupid early goal, and that was exactly what we did. From that moment on Watford knew they didn't have to expend themselves in attack, they could just make sure they do everything to keep us out and maybe nick a 2nd, which is what happened. Hernandez was trying to make things work, Stiepermann had a couple of good moments first half, but overall we were so flat. Hopefully Buendia being hauled off after an hour gives him the kick up the arse he needs. Pukki isn't really doing a lot wrong but the poor guy is just getting nothing to feed on. Aarons probably man of the match for me, though him and Tettey really didn't cover themselves in glory in the 1st goal (though tbf it's hard to blame Tettey seeing as he's not a centre back).

It's so disheartening seeing this team that are so capable of playing exciting, positive football, and were involved in so many phenomenal, edge-of-the-seat games last season, looking a shadow of their former selves. It's not like we're a bad Premier League team playing at our level, we're a good side playing well below what we're capable of. I seem to say this every week but obviously the injuries have had a huge impact that can't be ignored, but even so the last few weeks have just been crap performance after crap performance. Look at Sheffield United in 5th in the league. They are not any better than us as a team and don't have better individual players than us either (and tbf haven't had a injury crisis like us either). We've 100% got it in us to put together a run of form like they've done so far this season, we just need to get our heads right and do it. If we don't there is only one place we're heading, and we're going there without a fight at the moment.

We have 2 weeks now before Everton to get injured players back fit and pick ourselves up. Next game let's get Zimmermann back in (assuming he's 100% fit) and Amadou and Vrancic in midfield and show what we can do.

P.S. Anyone who joined in with the 'You're nothing special, we lose every week' chants while we were trying to get back in the game at 2-0 down against 10 men is a fucking moron.
 
Din

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Also, I like to think that even if we do go down bottom of the pile that Farke's job will be safe. I would hate to see him sacked this season. Yeah he hasn't necessarily got everything right so far but us being where we are in the league is not down to him at all. I fucking love the guy and by all rights we shouldn't even be here with the budget we had. The work he's done (not just him but obviously he's played an enormous part) is incredible and there shouldn't be any doubt he's a top manager regardless of how this season goes for us.

Last season was easily the best, most exciting campaign I've seen in my lifetime at Carrow Road, filled with games I'll just never forget. That Manchester City game as well was one of the best games I've ever watched. When you look at Arsenal fans booing and jeering their own captain off the pitch, it makes me grateful that despite our league position the vast majority of fans are still behind Farke and our players, as it would be horrible to see any of the heroes from last season treated like that however this season goes, and that includes Farke.
 
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Look at the big picture.
The main problem we have is conceding goals, this has been a problem consistently for us. It's not specifically because of injuries, it's a recurring issue over the course of time.

Injuries are usually short term, and while they have been a struggle, it hasn't really affected the issue that we have of conceding goals.
Too many goals went in before the spate of injuries, and they will do after the injured players return, unless Farke changes it.
 
morty

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Look at the big picture.
The main problem we have is conceding goals, this has been a problem consistently for us. It's not specifically because of injuries, it's a recurring issue over the course of time.

Injuries are usually short term, and while they have been a struggle, it hasn't really affected the issue that we have of conceding goals.
Too many goals went in before the spate of injuries, and they will do after the injured players return, unless Farke changes it.
There is an expectation from fans, and that includes the owners, who are fans too, that we play a certain type of football. And that certain type of football doesn't include grinding out boring draws. It is a double edged sword unfortunately.

We could get Tony Pulis in, play dreadful football, and grind out 4th from bottom in the Prem every year I guess. I wonder how long folk would put up with that? Fans are fickle, they want winning football that entertains. You can have effective, boring football, but folk will only put up with it for so long.
 
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Can't help feeling there must be a middle ground, being able to play like Brazil at times without throwing it in our own net every two and a half minutes.
 
morty

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Can't help feeling there must be a middle ground, being able to play like Brazil at times without throwing it in our own net every two and a half minutes.
You would like to hope so!
 
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Wouldn't surprise me if he got sacked if the results don't turn cos that's football.

But I hope not.

Hope they can find a few quid down the back of the sofa to do something in January. It's not just the fans who will want that, the players will want to see they are doing something (Just as long as it's not someone to take their place).
 
hogesar

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Not good enough. As in, not enough pure quality.

Look, the confidence of players has taken a big hit and our style of football is one of the worst styles to play when you're collectively low on confidence because it requires so much movement, desire for the ball, quick passing and dealing with an opponent press. Second nature when you're playing well.

Having proper CBs fit with the option to play Amadou in midfield feels vital but even then we need some luck for a couple results to rebuild confidence.
 
morty

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Not good enough. As in, not enough pure quality.

Look, the confidence of players has taken a big hit and our style of football is one of the worst styles to play when you're collectively low on confidence because it requires so much movement, desire for the ball, quick passing and dealing with an opponent press. Second nature when you're playing well.

Having proper CBs fit with the option to play Amadou in midfield feels vital but even then we need some luck for a couple results to rebuild confidence.
Hows the mood over at the Pinkun?

:D
 
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gerryinromania

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Literally I cant deal with every time we lose a game a load of poor people on the internet complain we dont have a billionaire owner bankrolling us.
For sure, there are some strange creatures lurking about.
We don't seem to be passing with speed anymore, we can do it,as we've already proved this season. Will be good to see it return again
 
morty

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Literally I cant deal with every time we lose a game a load of poor people on the internet complain we dont have a billionaire owner bankrolling us.
Do you follow Duncan on Twitter? He has conceived a bad run bingo card. And I have, literally, seen a guy in a Facebook group asking for Allardyce.

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OldRobert

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Can't help feeling there must be a middle ground, being able to play like Brazil at times without throwing it in our own net every two and a half minutes.
Of course there's a middle ground, we just don't seem capable of finding it atm, neither does DF. He will get the sack if the results don't improve, because eventually the memory of last season will fade, and the crowd will get pi$$ed off with us getting tonked every week. We all know it's a results business and there is a limit.
 
hogesar

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Of course there's a middle ground, we just don't seem capable of finding it atm, neither does DF. He will get the sack if the results don't improve, because eventually the memory of last season will fade, and the crowd will get pi$$ed off with us getting tonked every week. We all know it's a results business and there is a limit.

Dunno, i'd give Farke the season regardless. IF he'd been given proper money to spend in the summer I think there'd be more pressure on him but he's basically being asked to work a miracle for a second season in a row. Deserves the whole season on that basis.
 
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Dunno, i'd give Farke the season regardless. IF he'd been given proper money to spend in the summer I think there'd be more pressure on him but he's basically being asked to work a miracle for a second season in a row. Deserves the whole season on that basis.
There was the 15 or so million they were going to spend on that forward / attacking midfielder who decided not to come here.
 
OldRobert

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I don't believe there was ever £15m to spend then, just like Hanley was ever 'fully fit to play' as we were told week in week out, before he had his surgery. Webber has already said publicly that he'll give it definitely 3 years, that must be 6 months ago or thereabouts, so he's really quit already. Presumably whether we're Champions of Europe or in League 2. Sounds like a damn good way of saying if it all goes pear-shaped "Not my fault guv, we didn't have any money". How many managers do you know stay in a job with no money, every time we've been promoted to the PL then relegated we're the only club skint. He's a good manager someone will come for him if we go down offering some sort of transfer pot and maybe some ambition, 'cos he sure as hell won't get it here.
 
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