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Taking the knee - A grown up discussion.

morty

morty

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I just had my say on that lol. I think the knee thing will be stopped, and some of the moral crusaders are annoyed about it. One guy just said the people booing clearly voted for Brexit. FFS lol.

I find the booing a bit childish, but I will totally defend people's right to do it.
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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Judging by Number 9's post, David Freezer should be in one. If that's the quality of the Archant journalists, and I use the term loosely, no wonder there is such a bun fight going on among the natives on that other place.
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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I have just read Dave Freezer's tweets regarding this.
Basically he's saying that anyone who doesn't sign up to BLM and drop the knee is an uneducated racist.
Very strange, I doubt his employers would allow him to write such political stuff in his articles.
I think a lot of journalists twitter accounts say that the opinion is their own and not of their employer
 
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Number 9

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I think a lot of journalists twitter accounts say that the opinion is their own and not of their employer
To say those who don't agree with BLM are uneducated racists misses the point somewhat.
To stress it so strongly on a series of tweets seems strange.
Perhaps he has political allegiances with the organisation.
 
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gerryinromania

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There are a few clowns over the other side, getting on there high horses because Christophe doesn't kneel down. Is Connor Southwold really a journalist.? Freezer with his opinions on uneducated racists ? EDP and Pinkun,seem to be in a mess, their new format does not work very well, all gone downhill since Michael Bailey left
 
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Number 9

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There are a few clowns over the other side, getting on there high horses because Christophe doesn't kneel down. Is Connor Southwold really a journalist.? Freezer with his opinions on uneducated racists ? EDP and Pinkun,seem to be in a mess, their new format does not work very well, all gone downhill since Michael Bailey left
I find myself scratching my head sometimes when near the Pinkun
 
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gerryinromania

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OR there are so many,experts there on Law, Finance, Politics in UK and in USA, Brexit, Covid,National health, Epidemics,Racial issues, I imagine that they could tell me why it was wrong for me to be doing anti-slaving runs in the 60s in the Gulf . Wonder what they think of football?
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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The vast majority know nothing about anything. I read quite a few posts on there, and I don't think there is anywhere else, where there is so much nonsense written in one place on so many topics, and they all believe they're right. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. More shyte on there than at Whitlingham Sewage Works.
 
morty

morty

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There was a quite hilarious paradox happened on Twitter (don't know how many of you are on there) where there were people who, very vocally, support BLM, but also absolutely love Zimbo. It absolutely messed with their heads, one guy even demanding that the club release a statement as to why he wasn't kneeling. I told him that it was nobodies business but Christoph's, and he blocked me lol.

These folk do make me laugh.
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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Probably one of the aforementioned airheads from you know where Morty. Nothing surprises me when it comes to twitter and the rest of social media. Seems to me that nobody on there understands the maxim: 'None of your business'.
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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I don’t think Connor Southwell has done Zimbo any favours with his piece. It’s written as if he has talked to him when actually I don’t think he has. As a result people are saying Zimbo should explain himself when actually he doesn’t have to. I believe Zimbo is an intelligent bloke and hasn’t made his decision lightly, people should accept it and move on.
 
Jimmy smith

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I think in some ways, it did what it initially set out to do in getting people to discuss/be aware of racial inequality more. The problem is that it did that fairly early on and now it just looks like empty gestured virtue signalling.

Now I know I've had plenty of political disagreements with you on various things @morty but often we want the same thing but have different ideas on how it would be achieved.

Racism is a horrible, endemic stain on humanity and isn't something that can be eradicated overnight if ever.

I really don't see how repeatedly taking a knee is actually ever going to change the opinion of your stereotypical racist though, all it does is wind people up and divide further.

What is needed is more cooperation and education on how we can all benefit from working together as a community. Much of our country on both sides of the spectrum has been caught up in this melodramatic nonsense that has come here from America mainly. None of it is helpful.

Back to the knee stuff and I think what has happened is that the BLM movement and the BLM organisation have become amalgamated and confused people as to what the real motivations are. BLM as a statement shouldn't be a problem. Black lives matter, simple as.

As for the organisation, its clear that their more divisive and fractious elements are clearly destructive and unhelpful and an embarrassment to those more left leaning people, just as the likes of Tommy Robinson Katie Hopkins and EDL etc. are an embarrassment to the right leaning people.

The bloke that booed the kneeling is a bit of a prat in my eyes, could have just stayed quiet and respected those that wished to do the gesture but I think kicking him out was wrong and sets a dangerous precedent.

To tackle racism, you need to look at the root of the problem which centers around social inequality and a lack of education and critical thinking. That said, it may look bad in this country but having travelled a number of places, it really is nowhere near as bad as it could be...
 
morty

morty

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Racism will never be eradicated, overt racism, especially in this country is actually, very very rare, when was the last time you read about a truly racially motivated crime? People naturally identify with their own racial groups, especially if they are in a minority, sometimes purely for practical, language and culture reasons. What about people in Leicester or Bradford, who stay within their racial groups, are they being racist by not wanting to integrate into wider comunities? Are they desperate to mix in some kind of multicultural rainbow, or are they actually quite happy how things are?

The biggest rub for me though is that the left side of politics has weaponised ism's. Racisim, transgenderism, homophobia, oh but not anti semitism, that one is okay. It is a game, racism is the perfect political weapon, if I call you a racist, you have absolutely no way of proving me wrong. Now obviously it is easy to identify racists by their deeds and their words, but you can never police someone's thoughts. It is a game that is being played, the left want you to think Britain is a horrible place to be, and only they can fix it, and round every corner is a snarling racist / homophobe. The actual truth is that Britain is one of the most tolerant societies in the world.

It has honestly become steadily more ridiculous, I saw something earlier, a complaint that a church choir was all white. I mean, come on, lets break that down, is the implication that black kids have been turned away from the choir, or they haven't been given the oppurtunity, perhaps black kids just don't want to sing in a choir, and we should just respect that? The list goes on, the countryside is racist as it isn't accessable to BAME people, I saw gardening branded as systemically racist. It has all just become a ridiculous, silly game, and frankly identity politics is downright insulting, there are black people who disagree with BLM, there are black people who vote Tory, gay people too. What is basically happening is pigeon holeing how someone should think, based on their colour or their sexuality, and that is just wrong.

Back to BLM, this is just another thing grabbed by the metropolitan virtue signallers who were cheering and marching for Greta this time last year, like you say, it is hollow, meaningless, and has just been grabbed by certain types as they spotted a bit of Marxism by stealth. It was never about racism. I see people on Twitter every single day that never utterred a word about racism suddenly championing BLM, basically saying "Look at me, I'm a good person". It is more about their own insecurities and signalling, than anything else.

I don't agree with the guy booing either, but I will totally defend his right to do so. And I genuinely want football to be about football, and nothing else.

As a bit of an offshoot, hightlighting the way certain issues are viewed by folk, there was a church choir on the pitch at Carrow road in a recent game. Well it is Christmas, so where is the harm in that? Well it turns out there was, some LGBT folk were offended by this, because someone dug up a tweet from a member of the Soul church, from 8 years ago, saying he was opposed to gay marriage. The implication was made that the church shouldn't have been allowed into the ground. Some people were quite vocal at the ground too, a friend of mine overheard them being pretty offensive about it all. So basically what we have here are some people saying their feelings out trump the vast majority of the Carrow road crowd, and that their feelings should take precedence. They want inclusion, but only on their terms, and inclusion, understanding and tolerance only works in one direction.

It was certainly an interesting Twitter discussion.
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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I noticed that the supporters at Cambridge have either been banned for the rest of the season or are attending an “educational course” which sounds like a driving awareness course when you get caught speeding :rolleyes:
 
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