Cardiff Dossier on Malky MacKay to the FA

[Canaryboy]

This sob story that he couldn't speak out i just don't buy personally, i see a guy who's career hasn't taken off, he's 22 played very little, and he's trying to blow this up way bigger than what it is to give himself exposure.  

He has actually done the opposite, he has deleted the tweets after they were picked up by the media - every tweet now deleted, he didn't enjoy the exposure. 

Every club have people in place to check on the well being of players mentality, and if it was such a huge issue at the time he could've spoken out in this age and received huge support.  

He first tweeted about this in December, just after Malky was sacked, what he actually got was the opposite of support - he got lots of Cardiff fans screaming "sour grapes" and telling him that he was sh*t and should get over it, or was playing the race card, and that Malky was a top guy etc etc. Just like you are doing now. The whole of Cardiff worshipped Malky Mackay, this kid got no support at all with his complaint from Cardiff fans, and so didn't feel able to speak out. His complaints were dismissed out of hand then, and you are doing it now. 

Now they have changed their tune. LIke I said, Malky was hero worshipped by their fans and wouldn't have believed it. Now that they do believe it, he feels he can share again. If you were a 20 year old kid who had never played for Cardiff, do you think your voice would have been heard over this?....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEH_PdiLQiQ

(Yes, the Cardiff fans were signing that non-stop for the entire 90 minute video!). 

 

[lyb]

He has actually done the opposite, he has deleted the tweets after they were picked up by the media - every tweet now deleted, he didn't enjoy the exposure. 

He first tweeted about this in December, just after Malky was sacked, what he actually got was the opposite of support - he got lots of Cardiff fans screaming "sour grapes" and telling him that he was sh*t and should get over it, or was playing the race card, and that Malky was a top guy etc etc. Just like you are doing now. The whole of Cardiff worshipped Malky Mackay, this kid got no support at all with his complaint from Cardiff fans, and so didn't feel able to speak out. His complaints were dismissed out of hand then, and you are doing it now. 

Now they have changed their tune. LIke I said, Malky was hero worshipped by their fans and wouldn't have believed it. Now that they do believe it, he feels he can share again. If you were a 20 year old kid who had never played for Cardiff, do you think your voice would have been heard over this?....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEH_PdiLQiQ

(Yes, the Cardiff fans were signing that non-stop for the entire 90 minute video!). 

I wanted to like this, but apparently I've liked too many things today. So consider it liked. 

You're absolutely right. Totally impossible to speak out in that environment without damaging your prospects. I wonder how much more of it there is in other dressing rooms?

 

[Canaryboy]

I believe that what's come out so far is the tip of the iceberg. 

Here we go Beauseant, hot off of the press..... Cardiff City launch 'fraud' probe into summer transfer spending (Independent). 

 

[Andy]

Well done all. Discussions on racism can be very emotive & can easily degenerate into slanging matches. I'm really impressed that everyone here is able to express their views frankly and whilst I disagree completely with some of them, it is refreshing to have such an open debate.

 

[Canaryboy]

I wanted to like this, but apparently I've liked too many things today. So consider it liked. 

You're absolutely right. Totally impossible to speak out in that environment without damaging your prospects. I wonder how much more of it there is in other dressing rooms?

I've had that message about a 'like quote' too, don't know what it is set at - but I'll get it increased. 

 

[skijumptoes]

What you've posted says more about Cardiff fans than anything else, sheep following the crowd.  If he felt he was being racially targeted his beef isn't with the fans and it's not with the club, it's with the manager and there are many avenues for young players to raise a valid complaint.  I didn't know he had complained in December btw.

Do we presume that everyone standing watching these racist attacks should be labelled too for not speaking out?  What about the team captain, or older members of the playing staff? Think they were 'in' on the joke or too scared to speak out against this evil tyrant!?

I just don't buy it, sorry.

I think it's Malky poking the fun, he left the club and these jibes now upset him.  I feel for the guy as it can't be nice to see your career spiral like this and facing the unknown with the baggage that you felt picked on previously, it's not nice no matter who you are.  

I just question whether what Malky was doing was malicious and had racist intent, and i'm not talking in the eyes of the law, i'm talking on a humane level. i.e. if i stood there would it make me uncomfortable, or would i be laughing also.

 

[Canaryboy]

Well done all. Discussions on racism can be very emotive & can easily degenerate into slanging matches. I'm really impressed that everyone here is able to express their views frankly and whilst I disagree completely with some of them, it is refreshing to have such an open debate.

Agree completely mate, some very differing views but all expressed with civility, a 'discussion' or 'debate' with opinions at least respected even if not agreed with.

I've reached my 'like quota' whatever that is.... I didn't know that there was a 'like quota', so I'll be upping that! 

 

[Canaryboy]

What you've posted says more about Cardiff fans than anything else, sheep following the crowd.  If he felt he was being racially targeted his beef isn't with the fans and it's not with the club, it's with the manager and there are many avenues for young players to raise a valid complaint.  I didn't know he had complained in December btw.

Do we presume that everyone standing watching these racist attacks should be labelled too for not speaking out?  What about the team captain, or older members of the playing staff? Think they were 'in' on the joke or too scared to speak out against this evil tyrant!?

I just don't buy it, sorry.

I think it's Malky poking the fun, he left the club and these jibes now upset him.  I feel for the guy as it can't be nice to see your career spiral like this and facing the unknown with the baggage that you felt picked on previously, it's not nice no matter who you are.  

I just question whether what Malky was doing was malicious and had racist intent, and i'm not talking in the eyes of the law, i'm talking on a humane level. i.e. if i stood there would it make me uncomfortable, or would i be laughing also.

I suppose all will become clearer over time as we get more info (FA investigation, and reports from more reputable sources e.g. BBC),it is interesting that Cardiff are investing time and money into a 'fraud probe' - be interesting to see how that turns out. 

It does remain possible that these claims have little substance or that Malky's participation is minimal etc, but an FA investigation - if carried out properly - could equally unearth more claims including those by other players if interviewed.

Is dangerous to simply dismiss allegations as "sour grapes", let's see what other young black players from the period have to say first? I don't buy the idea that just because a player is released they automatically become bitter and twisted and are willing embark on an agenda to ruin peoples lives, people like that must be in a very small minority, e.g. Michael Spillane says that Paul Lambert is the best manager he has ever worked with, despite the fact that Lambert didn't fancy him as a player and he has amounted to very little since leaving us. 

Could well be that the argument over whether Malky is racist or not serves to have little relevance to his future employability if that fraud investigation gets anywhere, because 'fraud' is certainly criminal and there isn't much room for sentiment or subjectivity where the law is concerned.

Also remember that Moody was Malky Mackay's man! He took him to Cardiff from Watford! Even if Moody is responsible for much of this communication, and Malky was aware of it, Malky employed him so assumes responsibility as his boss?

 

[Beauseant]

Beauseant "I believe that what's come out so far is the tip of the iceberg. Tan isn't an idiot, he's a very hard headed businessman, he won't have done this as part of some petty vendetta. While I think its laudable that people adopt the principle of innocent until proven guilty I suspect that in the coming days there will be much more becoming public. If there's nothing in the more serious claims why did Moody immediately resign rather than tough it out? Why isn't Malky suing for libel? It smells worse than a rotten fish."

Not sure about a rotten fish but regrettably I agree that a lot more is going to emerge in this story.

I wonder if McNally had a heads up that something was brewing with Malky?

Malky made his sudden withdrawal of his action against Cardiff on 9th May, well before we interviewed him. That suggests that there would have been a whiff of something at that point.

 

[morty]

Blimey, just read the list of texts, if they are true (I can't say I trust the Daily Mail) then Malky is a pretty stupid boy, and really has left himself wide open. Makes me wonder how they got hold of all the texts though. Apologies if this has already been revealed, I haven't really been following the story.

 

[David Evans]

Blimey, just read the list of texts, if they are true (I can't say I trust the Daily Mail) then Malky is a pretty stupid boy, and really has left himself wide open. Makes me wonder how they got hold of all the texts though. Apologies if this has already been revealed, I haven't really been following the story.

My guess would be he sent the text messages using a work phone, when he was sacked they could have simply lifted the messages off the phone, he possibly would have wiped the phone though. Though I believe businesses will often monitor work mobiles (using installed software on the phone) so I think it would be quite easy for them to have a full record of Malky's texts.

 

[Loyal canary]

Feeling torn about Malky clearly what he texted was wrong but he did score 2 goals against the scum.

 

[Andy]

I think this piece by Henry Winter sums it up nicely. There is a possibility that Malky does not have racist views and is genuinely upset that some ill judged stupid texts have given the wrong impression about him. If that's the case, the LMA and his advisors have simply poured petrol on the flames by issuing a crass statement. Of course on the other hand he might just be a racist bigot.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11050109/League-Managers-Association-look-like-bumbling-dinosaurs-after-statement-defending-Malky-Mackay.html

 

[BarclayBoy88]

Well apparently the LMA have just come out and apologised for their statement.....this whole thing is one big mess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28896425

 

[lyb]

I think this piece by Henry Winter sums it up nicely. There is a possibility that Malky does not have racist views and is genuinely upset that some ill judged stupid texts have given the wrong impression about him. If that's the case, the LMA and his advisors have simply poured petrol on the flames by issuing a crass statement. Of course on the other hand he might just be a racist bigot.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11050109/League-Managers-Association-look-like-bumbling-dinosaurs-after-statement-defending-Malky-Mackay.html

Well, to be fair, the statement is consistent with the possibility that he doesn't have racist views. If you work on the pretext that if he said anything in private that was remotely prejudiced, heartfelt preudice or just a frustrated bit of lashing out against an agent that has annoyed him (I imagine that's a regular thing for football managers) then no statement could possibly be any good. And regarding the 'all blacks' comment, I think there'd be raised eyebrows in this day and age if a proposed group of players were entirely white, I don't see why making the same observation in reverse is automatically racist?

I go back to what I said before though, allegations of training ground harrassment are far more worthy of scrutiny than bleeding private texts.

 

[Canaryboy]

Lets be clear here about what Malky has text and what Iain Moody has text:

Malky: "Fkn chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."

Malky:  "Go on, fat Phil. Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers"

Moody: "Not many white faces amongst that lot but worth considering."

Moody:  "He's a snake, a gay snake. Not to be trusted'"

 

[lyb]

Actually, to be honest, having read a lot more stuff about it, and looking more at what Tan has said in the past in the context of these revelations, I think I'm trying to defend the indefensible here. Increasingly I'm starting to think MacKay and Moody do actually deserve it. Cardiff insist they didn't give this story to the press.

 

[Loyal canary]

How quickly we turn on our own. Yes he has made an almighty screw up. He has apologised move on and not persecute This ex canary

 

[Canaryboy]

How quickly we turn on our own. Yes he has made an almighty screw up. He has apologised move on and not persecute This ex canary

There won't be any moving on from this for many months, we have two investigations going on. The private fraud investigation, and now an FA investigation. It will be in the news for months, so be difficult to "move on" even if we wanted to. 

 

[Canaryboy]

Hahahaha! Paddy Power tweet...

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/502370250261016576