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Shirts thread.

morty

morty

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Not so nice...

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gerryinromania

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Like it, also keepers shirt, won't be buying it though, would look a tad strange on a bald 76 year old fella, wouldn't look anywhere as good as the Hanley pic. As an aside, wouldn't fancy trying to give Hanley a clout :D
 
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gerryinromania

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Hazard a guess, that a heap of those protesting lot, expect us to be signing £30 million players, but only wanting to pay a quid to see the team play, reading some of the stuff being posted about
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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Think Webber has a bloody cheek. Club bails out a year early on an existing deal with Dafabet, lines up an unacceptable replacement, then blames the fans for the shortfall!
 
morty

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That is not how it happened at all Bob.

Why do you think we bailed out a year early on Dafabet? The deal we cut with BK8 was worth it, that's why, it was the biggest sponsorship deal in our history, worth 5 million quid, and I think (Though could be wrong) that was just for 1 season. There is absolutely no way that we would have pulled out of a deal and taken a loss.

Some people have had moral objection to betting sponsors from day one, but they simply pay the most money, and as a self funding club, we need money. This would have been our third betting company sponsor after Leovegas (UK based betting company) and Dafabet (Not UK based) BK8 are not UK based either, which means they do not operate in the UK in any way, you do not know anyone with a BK8 betting account, they do not advertise here, they have no financial footprint in the UK whatsoever. Betting firms in the far east are not allowed to advertise in China, which is a huge market, massive. So the only way they can get round this is to get their name on a football shirt, so when Premier games are shown in China, they get their advertising!

Right, to the case in hand. Firstly I will mention that Dafabet used EXACTLY the same advertising techniques as BK8, techniques and standards that are suitable and appropriate for their target consumers, again, not in any way used in the UK, different countries have differing social norms in regards to this sort of thing. This all sprung up as some smart arse on Twitter decided to do a bit of delving on the net when BK8 were announced, and found the mildly titillating content, which personally I find on par with the Benny Hill show, or a Carry on film, just silliness.

I believe at that point various supporters groups wrote to the club expressing their anger. I will also say, at this point, that there has been a lot said implying the club did not do due diligence on BK8 before entering this deal, I can tell you categorically that they did, as I assume they did with Dafabet before them, and concluded that because none of this was for the UK market, they did not see issue.

But writing to the club wasn't enough for the supporters groups, they wanted to go much further to rub the club's nose in it, so they made an absolutely excruciating video, which went viral, and it made the national press, frankly revelling in making our club look stupid, because their sensibilities were more important to them, than loyalty to the club. They went way too far, and it is even more damning because the club has been extremely inclusive and tolerant with the supporters clubs, giving them access to the running and decisions the club makes, and they effectively spat in the club's face.

That is why Webber called them out, and in my opinion, was completely correct to do so. Their actions have cost this club 3 million quid, and as Webber said, that is one player less signed. Oh and Webber himself had nothing to do with the deal, he only feels the net result of having less money to spend in the transfer market. This whole debacle has weakened us on the pitch, which is why I am pretty pissed off about it.
 
morty

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And further to my rant, these same people will likely cry and moan that the club is showing no ambition when we don't sign enough players for their liking. I honestly think some of them would be happier if we just stay "Little old Norwich".
 
OldRobert

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Sorry mate but that doesn't alter the fact that the club did bail out early on Dafabet, bowed down to a relatively few nutters re BK8 (do you think Villa or Brentford even, let alone many other PL clubs) would have done what we did to leave us with this 'shortfall'................I don't think so. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes us look and be 'Little old Norwich'. You know Morty in your're heart of hearts that we cannot compete at the top table (to stay there) without new wealthy owners. If we are prepared to accept the yo yo position............fine, but it cannot last indefinitely.
 
morty

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Sorry mate but that doesn't alter the fact that the club did bail out early on Dafabet, bowed down to a relatively few nutters re BK8 (do you think Villa or Brentford even, let alone many other PL clubs) would have done what we did to leave us with this 'shortfall'................I don't think so. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes us look and be 'Little old Norwich'. You know Morty in your're heart of hearts that we cannot compete at the top table (to stay there) without new wealthy owners. If we are prepared to accept the yo yo position............fine, but it cannot last indefinitely.
We bailed out early because this was a better deal.

And had the fans groups not been arseholes and made this national news we probably could have batted the issue away. They massively overstepped the mark.
 
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gerryinromania

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Totally agree Morty. Supporters groups, I shudder to think that they support NCFC. More of the woke, cancellation type stuff.
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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We bailed out early because this was a better deal.

And had the fans groups not been arseholes and made this national news we probably could have batted the issue away. They massively overstepped the mark.
Quote:" According to the reports we cancelled the Dafabet deal early due to some unspecified 'concerns' with the business. If those were based on anything to do with how Dafabet chose to do things then it is inexplicable how we then rushed into another deal with an even dodgier looking Asian gambling firm without doing enough due diligence.

The club really only has themselves to blame with how things have turned out. I'm not a fan of this quote from Webber- he's not stupid and knows exactly how this is going to be taken by many." End Quote
 
morty

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Quote:" According to the reports we cancelled the Dafabet deal early due to some unspecified 'concerns' with the business. If those were based on anything to do with how Dafabet chose to do things then it is inexplicable how we then rushed into another deal with an even dodgier looking Asian gambling firm without doing enough due diligence.

The club really only has themselves to blame with how things have turned out. I'm not a fan of this quote from Webber- he's not stupid and knows exactly how this is going to be taken by many." End Quote
You're guessing there though. I doubt those reasons were the advertising, that would make no sense whatsoever. The plain fact is that BK8 were willing to pay more money.
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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You're guessing there though. I doubt those reasons were the advertising, that would make no sense whatsoever. The plain fact is that BK8 were willing to pay more money.
Didn't mention advertising, could have been any damn thing! One thing's for sure I can't see other clubs bowing down to a few supporters who have a thing about cleavages! Especially if the transfer pot becomes affected. Cutting off nose to spite face comes to mind.
 
morty

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I have already told you the reason we moved from Dafabet to BK8 was purely financial.

The club are at fault for giving the fans groups too much access, but the fans groups took their outrage way too far. Once it hit the national press they had no choice to pull the deal. You don't see Newcastle fans doing this against their sponsor, who is cut from the same cloth as BK8. So yes, the club has made a rod for its own back here unfortunately. And I hope lessons have been learned that you can't keep everyone happy all the time, and that sometimes you have to make unpopular decisions that benefit the business. The fans groups have definitely soured their relationship with the club, and I should imagine when Ben Kensall's replacement is installed he will be a lot more cautious in the relationship with them.

But that doesn't change the fact we have less money to spend on players, and this was caused, largely, by a ridiculous over reaction by some fans.
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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Yes we have less money to spend, but I take a different view for the reason. As you state in your middle paragraph, imo the club have been particularly naive in trying to keep everyone happy. They should have stood up to the minority of fans and carried on with the sponsorship, pointing out what it would do to the transfer budget. You can bet your life that the people who moaned will be the ones who complain about any lack of new signings.
 
morty

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There are conflicts of interest here, the commercial department did their job, and I should imagine Delia overruled the decision. Which in my opinion is wrong.

There comes a point where you have to decide which you want, little old Norwich desperately trying to be the good guy and putting an arm around every fan, or commercially successful Norwich. The balance has been got wrong here, but, and I know I am labouring the point, the fans groups went way over the top. And yes, you're correct, the same ones who were in uproar are the same ones who moaned about ticket prices being too high.
 
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