Bonds for the academy

Canaryboy

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Moved house at the wrong time to invest in this, savings have dwindled due to moving costs and immediate home improvements.... but I hope this helps us churn out a few more Jamal Lewis's.

I think he sort of underlines the importance of having a productive academy really, when you see what you get for £1m (James Husband),if Lewis can keep improving them he can become a player that we wouldn't otherwise have been able to afford to buy.

Does anybody know if we have anybody a bit special projected to come through in the new few years? E.g. at Under 16 level? We seemed to hear about the Murphy's talent long before they'd made it to the first team, but haven't heard much hype about anybody recently?

Todd Cantwell seems to be the obvious one for a possible first team chance, but he's 20.... who else is tipped to breakthrough here?
 
Canaryboy

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Lol, answered my own question within 3 minutes it seems by visiting the pinkun and seeing an article about Adam Idah being muted as the next Ibrahimovic.
 
morty

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Moved house at the wrong time to invest in this, savings have dwindled due to moving costs and immediate home improvements.... but I hope this helps us churn out a few more Jamal Lewis's.

I think he sort of underlines the importance of having a productive academy really, when you see what you get for £1m (James Husband),if Lewis can keep improving them he can become a player that we wouldn't otherwise have been able to afford to buy.

Does anybody know if we have anybody a bit special projected to come through in the new few years? E.g. at Under 16 level? We seemed to hear about the Murphy's talent long before they'd made it to the first team, but haven't heard much hype about anybody recently?

Todd Cantwell seems to be the obvious one for a possible first team chance, but he's 20.... who else is tipped to breakthrough here?
I don't have any specific names but I think we are starting to churn out a decent standard, but more importantly, regaining our reputation as a club that develops young talent, and looks to give them chances. We have lost our way in recent years, in respect of this, and you only have to look at the case of Cameron McGeehan, a great young player that had to move on, as the club didn't give him a chance, and he was lost in the vacuum between youth football and making the first team. Obviously the fact we are short of money, and no longer in the Premiership means that there is a lot more onus on bringing the youth through, but it does feel that there is more of a structured approach to it all now, and we didn't seem to produce anything of worth for a lot of years before the Murphys. Obviously being in the Prem meant it were less likely that we would give youth players a chance, but it also shows really that we weren't producing the quality either.

I'm glad the club is placing the importance it is, on the academy, because we need it now, more than ever.
 
Canaryboy

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Dario Dumic is another one who left at about 19 because he felt this wasn't the right place to develop. Seems to have been vindicated in that decision actually because he's playing for a top 4/6 side in Holland.

I wonder whether he saw Michael Spillane getting football ahead of him and just thought "what the actual f*ck?" :D
 
Canaryboy

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(Although I do think Spillane was a decent League One player, just thought he was better than he was and that's why he's at Chelmsford instead of Southend or something).
 
morty

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There is an unfortunately high attrition rate in the transition from youth football, regardless of how much money you plough into it, here are ours and Chelsea's under 18's from 5 years ago.

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We actually did pretty well that year, but to make the whole thing work, we need to be producing a Murphy every season or two. It does make you wonder though if it could have turned out differently for some of those players, if someone believed in them a bit more. Take the case of Jamal Lewis, not really on anyone's radar as standing out, virtually the first time he sees him, Farke tells him he is in the first team now.
 
Canaryboy

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So basically only 5 are playing professionally (and one on the books of a League 2 side but on loan to non-league). Although apparently Cameron Norman is being linked to League clubs.

Just googled them all and a few appear not to even be playing non-league.

In fairness football isn't the be all and end all, nothing that says you somehow owe it to yourself or the game to go and play for Braintree and try and work your way into the league... a lot of players will just decide to go and become a plumber or enrol at uni if they realise they aren't going to earn good money.

Take Tom Adeyemi for example, if he'd found himself at 21 scraping £600 a week at Newport County or something I suspect he'd have just knocked it on the head and become a lawyer or chartered accountant or something.
 
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Quite a lot of those Chelsea lads now play at Champs or even Prem level (Nathan Ake was in that group too).

But then that's how it appeared at the time - they had the better individuals but we had a real team.
 
morty

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Quite a lot of those Chelsea lads now play at Champs or even Prem level (Nathan Ake was in that group too).

But then that's how it appeared at the time - they had the better individuals but we had a real team.
I seem to remember at the time someone saying how much they paid for a lot of those youngsters, fairly sure one was over a million.
 
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I seem to remember at the time someone saying how much they paid for a lot of those youngsters, fairly sure one was over a million.
Yup. Loftus-Cheek was on a big, big contract. But then his class was and is clear.
 
hogesar

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I'm glad the club is placing the importance it is, on the academy, because we need it now, more than ever.

Agreed, it's just a real shame no one at the club had the foresight (because that's what they should have, more so than us fans who don't get to make the decisions) to place importance on it when we had the funds to really develop it.

The good news is with the current group of youngsters there seems to be 2 or 3 who stand a chance. Getting just one of those into the first team would be a success.
 
morty

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Agreed, it's just a real shame no one at the club had the foresight (because that's what they should have, more so than us fans who don't get to make the decisions) to place importance on it when we had the funds to really develop it.

The good news is with the current group of youngsters there seems to be 2 or 3 who stand a chance. Getting just one of those into the first team would be a success.
Unfortunately it is only hindsight that makes the decisions made, wrong. Fans and club alike were obsessed with retaining Premiership survival, and there would have been howls had we not spent every single penny in trying to retain it.

But it does go to show the extent of the changes we are making now, that we have less money than we have had in a long time, but are choosing to invest in the future.
 
morty

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Word on the street is that the bond has reached its 5 million target before even being publicly released.

I knew our great fans wouldn't let the club down :)
 
Ginja

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So the bond has opened publicly this morning and I can see that we already have £4.9 million pledged, which is fantastic news, the core of our future is finding and attracting undiscovered talent and this development is vital to that plan.
 
Ginja

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Word on the street is that the bond has reached its 5 million target before even being publicly released.

I knew our great fans wouldn't let the club down :)

:D There's not been much to shout this season but this is brilliant.

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