Cameron McGeehan

[RhythmicTheory]

Have been impressed with him over the two legs against Man Utd, particuarly the second leg where he had a nice touch, good incisive passing and took up great positions to show for the ball.  

Couple that with not being over awed with the situation and scoring 3 in his last 4, I hope we are giving serious thought for him pushing for a first team place when his loan ends on Feb 16th,

I certainly hope we arent entertaining the idea of selling him to Luton.  I know we have a lot of midfielders right now, but Wes is coming to an end, personally I dont rate Johnson, Gary O'neil and Vadis injured, surely this would indicate a good time for him to be at least on the bench?

I know a couple of good performance does not necessarily transform him into a regular starter, but what I've seen so far he deserves a chance.

 

[eatonparkboy]

This does irritate me at times. We have some promising youngsters but the demands of immediate success means managers are loathe to blood them for any length of time. Supporters as well as the board are now impatient for results and you can't blame a manager for playing it safe if he is going to get stick from everywhere. Some of our players can turn in below par performances far too many times and yet are fire proof. And sacked managers are correct when they say they aren't given time to build anything like a dynasty.

If our club is trying for the top flight and we have been there many times, then our set up, finances and coaching ought to reflect this. So wouldn't some of the youngsters be better staying at Norwich and getting the coaching from the same hymn sheet rather than bench warming at the likes of York who change their managers even more rapidly than us and whose facilities aren't any better than non league and far inferior to ours.

I believe Cameron McGeehan has shown not only that he has ability and skill but also a maturity that wouldn't see him overshadowed in a decent Norwich line up particularly as a substitute. Just in the same way as young Clough looked quite at home for Bolton last night. 

 

[Fenway Frank]

I get the impression he's in a bit of a hurry and wants to be playing regularly, even if it means dropping down to a lower level and then getting a bigger move. Don't think he'll stay personally.

 

[Safri15]

I think when his current loan finishes we should definitely keep him here. Forget about loaning this WBA lad and use Cameron instead. He seems like the real deal, and playing some Championship football is only going to fast track that. If it fails and he doesn't cut it then re-assess then - either further loans or sell him on.

 

[Dandy Mountfarto]

This does irritate me at times. We have some promising youngsters but the demands of immediate success means managers are loathe to blood them for any length of time. Supporters as well as the board are now impatient for results and you can't blame a manager for playing it safe if he is going to get stick from everywhere. Some of our players can turn in below par performances far too many times and yet are fire proof. And sacked managers are correct when they say they aren't given time to build anything like a dynasty.

If our club is trying for the top flight and we have been there many times, then our set up, finances and coaching ought to reflect this. So wouldn't some of the youngsters be better staying at Norwich and getting the coaching from the same hymn sheet rather than bench warming at the likes of York who change their managers even more rapidly than us and whose facilities aren't any better than non league and far inferior to ours.

I believe Cameron McGeehan has shown not only that he has ability and skill but also a maturity that wouldn't see him overshadowed in a decent Norwich line up particularly as a substitute. Just in the same way as young Clough looked quite at home for Bolton last night. 

Agreed with this 100%. I don't think its a coincidence that many of the clubs that appear to be producing a decent amount of youth players don't have a pot to *bleep* in, so they play youth products out of neccessity and would you believe it, regular exposure to first team football in a stable environment improves young players.

Do Ipswich, Birmingham, etc have better youth systems than us? Or do they just give their players opportunities.

 

[Beauseant]

The big issue with young players is timing when they step up. At the moment Cameron is doing really well at League Two level but to suggest that he could step up to the Championship at this stage is unrealistic, although not as unrealistic as suggesting that he could offer more than Graham Dorrans! Currently it's much better for his development to be playing week in week out rather than making an occasional sub appearance.

I think the club have got it absolutely right at the moment with a number of young players getting valuable experience at lower league teams. Their time will come but it's actually counter productive to try to push them too far too soon. Josh Murphy is a classic example. A couple of good sub appearances, people clamour for him to start and he does so against Leeds only to have a stinker and hasn't looked the same since.

 

[eatonparkboy]

The big issue with young players is timing when they step up. At the moment Cameron is doing really well at League Two level but to suggest that he could step up to the Championship at this stage is unrealistic, although not as unrealistic as suggesting that he could offer more than Graham Dorrans! Currently it's much better for his development to be playing week in week out rather than making an occasional sub appearance.

I think the club have got it absolutely right at the moment with a number of young players getting valuable experience at lower league teams. Their time will come but it's actually counter productive to try to push them too far too soon. Josh Murphy is a classic example. A couple of good sub appearances, people clamour for him to start and he does so against Leeds only to have a stinker and hasn't looked the same since.

But why wasn't he given a second chance after the Leeds game? One game at a time is no good to anyone. If the manager really believes he is good enough then illustrate that belief but telling the lad that he is in for a run of games. But then that goes back to a manager being frightened of drawing a home game and changing the side for the next game.

I still believe it is the fear factor that is ruining our game. Look at Yeovil. They are punching so above their weight but having tasted Championship football within 13 years of reaching league football, their current reversal of fortune means they have sacked the man who for many is Mr Yeovil, Gary Johnson! On one hand managers want backing then don't back their own judgement. Clubs appoint a manager and then panic after a poor start to the season,

In fact, it is ridiculous that we are on our third different manager in the last two and a half years and all that has happened is we have been relegated from the Prem! I guess three quarters of football clubs would see that as success.

 

[Dandy Mountfarto]

But why wasn't he given a second chance after the Leeds game? One game at a time is no good to anyone. If the manager really believes he is good enough then illustrate that belief but telling the lad that he is in for a run of games. But then that goes back to a manager being frightened of drawing a home game and changing the side for the next game.

I still believe it is the fear factor that is ruining our game. Look at Yeovil. They are punching so above their weight but having tasted Championship football within 13 years of reaching league football, their current reversal of fortune means they have sacked the man who for many is Mr Yeovil, Gary Johnson! On one hand managers want backing then don't back their own judgement. Clubs appoint a manager and then panic after a poor start to the season,

In fact, it is ridiculous that we are on our third different manager in the last two and a half years and all that has happened is we have been relegated from the Prem! I guess three quarters of football clubs would see that as success.

Again agreed.

In a weird way you could say the expectations on youth players are actually higher, Whitaker or Cuellar or Ruddy can have a nightmare game and be back in the team a week later with no-one batting an eyelid, a youth player does the same and we start questioning whether they have a future at the club.

I'm sure season long loans to stable clubs used as a kind of finishing school can help players but short term loans to a different club every month does no-one any good. English football is littered with players that spent years nobbing about at 20 different clubs, and it isn't until they get off the loan merry go round that they fulfill their potential.

 

[Beauseant]

The reason Murphy didn't get a run of games is that there is no time to let youngsters make mistakes at first team level. Had he been guaranteed a run of, say, three games and City had lost them with him contributing little, this and every other forum would have been crawling with posters demanding to know why the manager had sacrificed our promotion chances by playing kids instead of players proven at this level.

People are happy to demand that managers play kids but if they fail how many of them will say "my mistake" rather than demanding the sacking of the manager? It's so easy to make decisions from the comfort of an armchair

 

[ZLF]

Why hasnt Josh started again?   While there have been occassional flashes of the talent he does possess it is clear, to me at least, that his decision making,  final ball  and defensive play are not quite good enough yet   The naivety in is play is there for all to see.  

He simply is not yet ready for a starting place in a play off placing team - and like cam,  toffolo etc he would benefit from regular pitch time in  good league one side to help him improve on all those elements by gaining experience.

 

[morty]

Why hasnt Josh started again?   While there have been occassional flashes of the talent he does possess it is clear, to me at least, that his decision making,  final ball  and defensive play are not quite good enough yet   The naivety in is play is there for all to see.  

He simply is not yet ready for a starting place in a play off placing team - and like cam,  toffolo etc he would benefit from regular pitch time in  good league one side to help him improve on all those elements by gaining experience.

Probably the main reason he hasn't been loaned out is the shortage of players we have in his position.

 

[RhythmicTheory]

The big issue with young players is timing when they step up. At the moment Cameron is doing really well at League Two level but to suggest that he could step up to the Championship at this stage is unrealistic, although not as unrealistic as suggesting that he could offer more than Graham Dorrans! Currently it's much better for his development to be playing week in week out rather than making an occasional sub appearance.

I think the club have got it absolutely right at the moment with a number of young players getting valuable experience at lower league teams. Their time will come but it's actually counter productive to try to push them too far too soon. Josh Murphy is a classic example. A couple of good sub appearances, people clamour for him to start and he does so against Leeds only to have a stinker and hasn't looked the same since.

I agree with your sentiment bud and only the staff know if hes ready, but looking at how he played against Utd, albeit in 2 games, he looked ready for a chance.  Kids are pretty resilient, it would have to be pretty horrendous event to knock your confidence that much and I would argue then it would be down to the staff not managing the situation post match.

You're right, if they dont see it happening then he is better of with Cambridge, I just think he should be given a go.

 

[splutcho]

The same people that are frothing at the mouth for not playing the youngsters are also the first ones to boo and moan the second we drop points because we played youngsters that weren't ready. Club can't win either way, and it all comes down to one of the main things that's hurt us since Lambert left; fan expectation.

 

[Dandy Mountfarto]

The same people that are frothing at the mouth for not playing the youngsters are also the first ones to boo and moan the second we drop points because we played youngsters that weren't ready. Club can't win either way, and it all comes down to one of the main things that's hurt us since Lambert left; fan expectation.

People always say things like this and its very easy to paint imaginary fans as inconsistant when you pick and choose different people with different opinions. Some people will moan if youth players play badly, some people will be happy regardless, the fact that these two groups of people exist doesn't mean that there is a large overlap of flip flopping hypocritics.

You see exactly the same thing with enterainment vs results discussions.

 

[Beauseant]

Nevertheless it's absolutely spot on. In life generally people love to pontificate without taking responsibility while haranguing those that actually do when they're perceived to have made the "wrong" decision. There's not much point asking why something does or doesn't happen and then simply dismissing the answer if it's not one you agree with

 

[eatonparkboy]

Nevertheless it's absolutely spot on. In life generally people love to pontificate without taking responsibility while haranguing those that actually do when they're perceived to have made the "wrong" decision. There's not much point asking why something does or doesn't happen and then simply dismissing the answer if it's not one you agree with

Isn't that called continuing debate though? And the reason forums like this exist? I would imagine the supporter who will never be satisfied wouldn't post on a forum in case his argument isn't worth debating. And in most cases, those kind of people have a short span of attention and move on.

 

[SussexYellow]

Possibly we can look forward to a period of good competition for midfield places with developing youngsters pushing senior professionals hard for starting places.

We should not forget that we also have Louis Thompson who has been getting good reviews in a successful Swindon team. Less of a step up for him to Championship level and I think is likely to be the first of the youngsters we will see.

 

[Beauseant]

Yes. Thompson and McGrandles will be the next cabs of the rank, but the likes of McGeehan, Morris and Toffolo won't be far behind. There's a lot to look forward to, particularly as I remember Lambert telling me that there was no-one in the Academy who would make the first team a week before he left!

 

[Yellow Fever]

Certainly Josh is the furthest forward, but there's also Loza ahead of McGeehan, Morris and Toffolo. Their time will come, but, except for Josh, I agree that they are better off getting experience out on loan.

 

[Beauseant]

Forgot Loza! We really do have an embarrassment of riches coming through!