Can I Just Say....

eatonparkboy

eatonparkboy

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I listened to the whole of the managers post match interview. He refused to put the blame on Whittaker but was pretty scathing about everything else.. He pointed out that we were not good enough in defence, midfield or attack - seems pretty comprehensive to me. I agree that Whitaker is the least of his problems as he won't play the again. - I am much more worried about the other performances!

I don't disagree with you that we were rubbish yesterday - I do disagree with the booing - that's not what I associate with supporting a football club, I think I said above that the entire team were rubbish apart from ruddy and Redmond.

I thought Brentford were impressive yesterday - you don't, fine. We disagree.

You seem so keen to stick the boot into a new managerial appointment that you are making several large assumptions eaton. I think we have appointed someone who could be very good - but he has has 3 games (and won 2 - but of course you put those down to Phelan) I assume you are peeved that the club didn't appoint your first choice but give the guy they did give the job to half a chance.
Not at all Killie. I want my club to do well and essentially play good football as I'm not one of those that think you have to be in the Prem. But obviously good football will eventually get you promoted. And if AN provides that then all the better. I don't think I could stand another manager failure.

To clarify. Booing is the most immediate and recognised form of showing displeasure. How else do supporters make their feelings known? And I to be honest, I am a bit tired of the feeling abroad that if you show your displeasure you are not a true or genuine supporter as we have to be so careful of criticism in case you might upset a player. At least booing leaves it at the match rather than the tedious tweeting that players have got involved in in reply to taunts for days after the match.

I am tired of balls being kicked out of play because of no better reason than someone goes down with a sore shin, and because the opposition then kick it seventy yards back to our keeper, everybody applauds. 

I am tired of pundits saying there was contact so he was entitled to go down.

I am tired of people saying you're a plastic if you have had the temerity to leave Norfolk for other pastures but still naturally want to follow the club you love.

I don't want to bore you any more with the things that tire me but in reply to your thoughts that I may be prejudiced against AN. I think you are probably biased toward him. Yes, you can accuse me of not giving him a chance yet. It might appear that way.

But I judge each match as it is played out. That is the only way. 9 from from the previous three is meaningless if the next is as bad as yesterday's was. Praise  for a win, in depth analysis for a defeat and maybe blame attached.

AN was quite happy to accept credit for the last half hour at Bournemouth. A game that saw injuries and confusion in the back four as well as down to ten men. Phelan picked the team and it and the back four was Whittaker, Martin, Turner, Ollson. And a brave rearguard action saw us outclassed, according to those who went, but worthy of a win.

Next match, at home, Whittaker is dropped, Martin put to right back and Cuellar put alongside Turner. And we were awful at the back. All game, not just the second half when they scored.

Pivotal match yesterday, the whole of football knew that. A win is crucial. Problem areas are midfield where injuries and suspensions have left us thin and the back four which is slow and open through the middle. So rather than solidify one area, the back four, by putting Whittaker back to full back, where he had improved recently, and restoring the more mobile Martin to CB, AN weakened both the back four and midfield by naming Whittaker as a defensive CM. And with 12 mins and 31 seconds it was obvious to all of us that the set up was wrong.

Gary Hooper is a player renowned for poaching in the box but is now asked to do a role foreign to his nature. He is a good striker. He took Redmond's long pass in an instant and got a shot on target. That is what he was bought for. Yet with Lafferty restored to the left while the more natural Bennett or Murphy were sat on the bench and Redmond showing good form on the wide right, Hooper is left to handle the advanced CM role.

Whittaker and Johnson had nightmares in the middle. Whittaker, I noted was chasing everything from their left corner to our right defensive corner. He had no idea how to play that role. And it was so obvious.

We have three substitutes and nothing says you can't change it as soon as it is apparently wrong. Whittaker off, Martin to CB, Turner or Cuellar off and Bassong on. Hoolahan on. Hooper pushes alongside the lonely and isolated Jerome who is by now anticipating hoofball from our back four and running offside too many times.

Who says I'm right of course. Maybe not. But neither was AN and to portray an image that he is the tough, granite hewn Scot who takes no prisoners and calls a spade a shovel and tells us he has no fear was dispelled by the farce of yesterday. And to that image he tries to portray should have told the waiting world, not that he hoped to win the next match rather that he was determined to win the next match. And maybe the honest man he says he is would have said that his tactics were experimental if I'm kind and guess work if I'm not.
 
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Killiecanary

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All good points I think Eaton

I agree with much of what you say - and absolutely about the things you find tiresome!! I think we could have a good moan together about those...

I think the players have a lot to answer for yesterday. I am wary of the clamour for Hoolahan who has been very average for us for a long time now...there is a reason that three managers in a row don't use him regularly I suspect

I think you may be right. I am biased towards AN - I think he could be a great appointment but I worry that our expectations are too great for anyone. I also don't think this squad (which I also at the start of this year thought would be the best in the championship) is good enough...too many players are playing crap foo frequently for that to be true...I hope as a fanbase we are patient enough to give him time.

We aren't far apart on what we think about yesterday. I liked a comment on the other site, where someone posted that it maybe isn't so much a matter of 'keep the faith' but more 'have some faith!'
 
Din

Din

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For the record, I have no issues with booing at the final whistle, particularly after a performance like that. I don't do it myself but you couldn't blame fans for booing at full-time yesterday. It's the booing of the Hooper substitution (even though it was obviously the right change to make) that winds me up. And the jeering Whittaker is just completely wrong in any situation in my eyes.
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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Our squad would have been the best in the Championship if we'd adequately replaced the players who left in the summer. We've let Snodgrass and Pilkington leave without signing a winger, we've replaced Leroy Fer with an injury prone Belgian, and Bassong (and Yobo?) with Hooiveld and Cuellar.

Can anybody honestly say that we had a good summer of transfer business? I think it all went wrong in the transfer market. I don't think we've got the best squad in the Championship, I honestly believe that we are at least two good new wingers, a good centre back and possibly a playmaker away from that. Whether Bassong can be that centre back, and the Belgian lad get off the sick bed to become the playmaker remains to be seen.
 
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eatonparkboy

eatonparkboy

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There does seem to be a lot of call for wingers. Is that really the answer? I think there is an overplay about width. Raheem Sterling was a winger but Liverpool play him up the middle and the chaos he can cause means defences end up narrow and leave spaces for people to run into. If you play two wingers you are setting your stall out and I believe make it easier to mark.

What works is what makes the opposition the most uncomfortable. If you recognise the opposition has two slow CB's (where have I heard that?) why not stick Redmond up the middle? While I love nothing better than to see a great cross headed in off the underside of the bar by a leaping striker, any goal is a good one and if they come from other areas, so much the better.
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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Well when we weren't playing conventional wingers under Adams our full backs were constantly exposed and it left us vulnerable on the counter, and yet when we do attempt to play wide midfielders we struggle because we don't have any. Elliott Bennett was atrocious yesterday. Not his fault, nobody would expect him to thrive out on the left.

I do think that a left winger is a priority. As for Raheem Sterling and Liverpool, well Sterling is a very special talent and Liverpool are 8th in the table!
 
eatonparkboy

eatonparkboy

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Well when we weren't playing conventional wingers under Adams our full backs were constantly exposed and it left us vulnerable on the counter, and yet when we do attempt to play wide midfielders we struggle because we don't have any. Elliott Bennett was atrocious yesterday. Not his fault, nobody would expect him to thrive out on the left.

I do think that a left winger is a priority. As for Raheem Sterling and Liverpool, well Sterling is a very special talent and Liverpool are 8th in the table!
When Adams played a diamond, the full backs were exposed. They were exposed under Lambert in L1 but were good enough and better than their opponents. With us this season, our full backs have tried to cover so many times for the CB's that we are very narrow. Instructions for the full backs and wide men to link up have left Redmond sometimes having to come backwards while waiting.

Many clubs are searching for a reliable left wing/wide player. But if there is no-one available why bother about it if you can't solve it? What the football world would give for another Ryan Giggs.

I did feel sorry for Bennett yesterday. He did look adrift but watching long balls sail into the laps of their back four must have given him neck ache. 
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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We sold three left footed midfielders in the summer. Yes, all three were out of contract this summer, and yes we'd have been silly to have rejected a £7m offer for Snodgrass considering his contract situation.

Perhaps though, in hindsight, we'd have been best off keeping Pilkington or Surman for the season? I'm sure we'd have been able to tie one of them down on a contract if we tried.

We don't need the next Ryan Giggs, we just need a decent left winger. Or even a right footed winger who can play as an inverted winger on the left. 
 
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CanaryNath

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My main issue with AN's managerial performance on Saturday, was that it was blindingly obvious after just 10 minutes that Brentford were playing very compact, through the centre, and a high line in defence. This was catching us out with the weak defensive midfield partnership we had to start with, and the slowness of our CB's.

I am not a coach, yet I could see it. I'm sure plenty of others could. And yet AN did nothing to address it.

Even after we had equalised, we were opened up time and time again, by Bee's players simply running straight down the middle of the pitch.

Staggeringly vulnerable is what we were on Saturday. How Brentford only won 2-1 is beyond me.
 
Paul Handscombe

Paul Handscombe

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I'm sorry but Whitaker is utter crap, and the decision to play him in midfield when you have the like of Hoolahan, Bennett, Mcgrandles, Murphy on the bench screams to me that manager we have appointed is too young and inexperienced and has a hell of a lot to learn about English football.

Whitaker is a woeful right back let alone a central midfielder, all he did was give the ball away and not tackle, he spent most of the game with his hands out by his side like some kind of flappy bird standing 2 foot off players not closing down or making a tackle.

The system was all wrong and the booing for taking off Hooper was not booing him it was the decision to take off a striker for Hoolahan when the whole crowd could see that Whitaker should have come off for him, in fact it should have happened at half time.

If he wanted to play 5 defenders then paly a back 3 of Martin, Culler and Turner and have Olson and Whitaker/Bennett playing as wing backs.

Inept management, and the honeymoon is over, it was at half time in the Cardiff game, we were lucky to win that the way we played second half (also the Bournemouth game had F all to do with Neil) the biggest mistakes we have made this season is letting Phealan go and getting this Muppet in as manager
 
Personal Trainer

Personal Trainer

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I don't agree with sarcastically applauding someone who is coming off. But could anyone tell me how you show your displeasure at a rank bad performance without booing? You have to take each game as it comes and if you are served up poor fayre on any particular day then show your displeasure.

If I have a bad meal while I'm out, I complain and in some cases have had my money back. Surely these players are not so untouchable that they can't be made aware of lack of skill or effort.
We should do what the Spanish fans do, wave their Club scarves around if they are impressed and wave white handkerchiefs when they are not. Looks good!
 
eatonparkboy

eatonparkboy

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We should do what the Spanish fans do, wave their Club scarves around if they are impressed and wave white handkerchiefs when they are not. Looks good!
Looking at the Carrow Road faithful, it's wave your scarf when happy and bus pass when you're not.
 

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