Diving.

[morty]

Dwight Gayle.

Dwight Gayle: West Bromwich Albion striker charged with 'diving'

West Brom's Dwight Gayle is charged with "successful deception of a match official" in the draw with Nottingham Forest.

www.bbc.co.uk

What is the answer to this? Am currently discussing it on Twitter, is it really feasible to chalk a goal off, retrospectively, long after the whistle has blown? Imagine a situation where we win the league, then a week later another teams appeal is successful, their score is changed, then suddenly our league position is changed?

I think the only way is to help referees get the decision right, using VAR, but also give them the power to chalk off the goal, during the 90 minutes, if it is proven to have been gained through deceit.

I think changing the scores of football games, long after the fact, is a dangerous road to go down.

 

[dj161]

I can't see them ever doing that to be honest, the best way to do it is retrospective action for the player, give them a 10 game ban and a hefty fine, thats the only way I can see the players being deterred from doing it, although if you going to give something like that out you've got to be 100% certain it is a dive

 

[morty]

There is a three man panel that sits and adjudicates on these cases, am not sure as to what stipulates which cases they specifically look at. I definitely don't think we should ever get into the position where we are changing football scores long after the final whistle has gone.

 

[dj161]

I can't imagine they'll ever change scores post game, that just opens up a whole can of worms as to what decisions are looked at, despite most refs seemingly being crap, they do have a tough job, and need as much help as possible, whether that be through VAR or next day reviews to cut things out, for me the key to prevent things like diving is just making an example of players that do it

 

[morty]

I can't imagine they'll ever change scores post game, that just opens up a whole can of worms as to what decisions are looked at, despite most refs seemingly being crap, they do have a tough job, and need as much help as possible, whether that be through VAR or next day reviews to cut things out, for me the key to prevent things like diving is just making an example of players that do it

I simply don't see any way that they could retrospectively change outcomes of games, however fair some people may see it as being.

Imagine the last week of the season, City win the league, but there are diving appeals in two other games. Results are changed, we drop two places and end up in the play offs. How many fans would be shrugging their shoulders and saying "Ah well, justice has been done"?

 

[dj161]

but also there has to be a line drawn somewhere on what you can review and what you can't, what if the ref gives an incorrect corner, and it leads to a goal, do you then say that goal is ruled out too, I agree with you, it could cause havoc at the end of the season, imagine it in a relegation battle, you think a draw is enough on the last day of the season to keep you up, and then the FA go, oh sorry we ballsed up the other day so youre actually relegated...........whoops

 

[morty]

Dwight Gayle has been given a two match suspension, seems to be the standard punishment.

Not enough, in my opinion.

 

[Canaryboy]

Well there is no point in us diving in the box, we can't score penalties.

 

[Canaryboy]

Interesting that the punishment for diving whilst the game is in progress is a yellow card, but if spotted after the game it can be the equivalent of a straight red for dissent.

Does this mean that the penalty for diving should be a straight red?

 

[morty]

Interesting that the punishment for diving whilst the game is in progress is a yellow card, but if spotted after the game it can be the equivalent of a straight red for dissent.

Does this mean that the penalty for diving should be a straight red?

I think it is sometimes difficult, when the game is at full speed to fully ascertain what has gone on. But as we know, if a footballer is running at full pelt, the slightest of touches can send him tumbling. The most important thing is that it is sorted out immediately. In the case of Gayle's 2 game ban, that doesn't get Forest their points back.

 

[dj161]

Interesting that the punishment for diving whilst the game is in progress is a yellow card, but if spotted after the game it can be the equivalent of a straight red for dissent.

Does this mean that the penalty for diving should be a straight red?

I'd say that all players caught diving should be given a temporary yellow card at the time, then once the week is over the FA look at all the cases for diving that are reported to them in the refs match reports, if deemed he got it right the player gets a ban, if he got it wrong the card is rescinded, simple

 

[morty]

I'd say that all players caught diving should be given a temporary yellow card at the time, then once the week is over the FA look at all the cases for diving that are reported to them in the refs match reports, if deemed he got it right the player gets a ban, if he got it wrong the card is rescinded, simple

What if that player went on to score the winning goal in the game though?

 

[dj161]

well that can happen now anyway, certainly wouldn't want refs to be giving straight reds for diving without the chance to review, once VAR is fully introduced its a possibility, but that would mean you could only apply this to the top division or two, something needs to happen with it though as it's getting ridiculous, its as if the rules right now are cheat as much as you like, its winning that matters