Warren Hill
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Has the Chief Exec stuck his head above the parapet with this appointment?
Has the Chief Exec stuck his head above the parapet with this appointment?
Canaryboy
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I agree completely, McNally's job is at stake with this appointment. I think he knows this, I hope his gamble pays off. For his sake and for ours.
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eatonparkboy
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Some good points. But I guess apart from a dozen Prem clubs, your latest blog is a reflection of the rest. At this moment because of our last few years of success we tend to forget the bad times. The real success of course, in terms of importance for the future, is the clearing of the external debt. And McNally didn't shy away from tellingvus his part in that. But in reality, that came down to the ball bouncing off Simeon Jackson in stoppage time.
Warren Hill
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I think that's the point though EPB. We are just one of a number that feel they should be "where they belong".
The instantaneous nature of football viewing, reporting and opinion provide an ample assist to the knee jerk reaction of fans.
Someone made a good point the other day that because of our capacity and the way we market and sell, some fans are prisoners of their own season tickets. Disappointed by what they see, unsatisfied by the standard of football and entertainment but scared witless that surrendering their ticket will allow the next guy to enjoy the Premier League dream should by some miracle we make it.
Modern football is like that. It didn't used to be; people went because they wanted to, not because they were afraid they might miss out on something.
In truth, all the fans are missing is an understanding of what it's like to be a City fan. Catching the coat tails of Lambert just doesn't provide you with a balanced concept and many of those that boo will disappear as rapidly as they joined the waiting list.
They are no better or worse than any other fan, just a different era of supporter. That Ipswich have found a few thousand recently tells you all you need to know. They play agricultural football but they are winning games.
In the end, it's the winning. Not how, not who; just winning.
As much as we ridicule the glory boys, we all chase the same endorphins.
The instantaneous nature of football viewing, reporting and opinion provide an ample assist to the knee jerk reaction of fans.
Someone made a good point the other day that because of our capacity and the way we market and sell, some fans are prisoners of their own season tickets. Disappointed by what they see, unsatisfied by the standard of football and entertainment but scared witless that surrendering their ticket will allow the next guy to enjoy the Premier League dream should by some miracle we make it.
Modern football is like that. It didn't used to be; people went because they wanted to, not because they were afraid they might miss out on something.
In truth, all the fans are missing is an understanding of what it's like to be a City fan. Catching the coat tails of Lambert just doesn't provide you with a balanced concept and many of those that boo will disappear as rapidly as they joined the waiting list.
They are no better or worse than any other fan, just a different era of supporter. That Ipswich have found a few thousand recently tells you all you need to know. They play agricultural football but they are winning games.
In the end, it's the winning. Not how, not who; just winning.
As much as we ridicule the glory boys, we all chase the same endorphins.
Dubai Mark
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This is probably the first time McNally himself will be concerned about his own position I'm sure. Also,at most organisations the length of time he has been CEO would be seen as exceptional
They tend to last a maximum of five years, well certainly at the companies I have worked for and know of anyway.
But back to the point........with everything financially sorted, or so it seems, his number one task was delivered. So, any task going forward that he doesnt deliver will/should now certainly been seen as failure, and he will/should I am sure stay or go based on that.
The current task is getting us straight back up in to the EPL...... and if he fails this task this season, then, even though I am a fan of his, he should go.....its as simple as that.
We are not talking about just a few quid here that we are missing out on............time to get tough!
They tend to last a maximum of five years, well certainly at the companies I have worked for and know of anyway.
But back to the point........with everything financially sorted, or so it seems, his number one task was delivered. So, any task going forward that he doesnt deliver will/should now certainly been seen as failure, and he will/should I am sure stay or go based on that.
The current task is getting us straight back up in to the EPL...... and if he fails this task this season, then, even though I am a fan of his, he should go.....its as simple as that.
We are not talking about just a few quid here that we are missing out on............time to get tough!
eatonparkboy
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Is the long serving Norwich fan just about being where we think we should be? I guess the older you are, just by sheer numbers, the more history you assemble. And the history of NCFC would be very much the same as most clubs outside the eternally massive clubs. But as you say, modern supporters are conditioned to winning first. Whereas historically you went, first and foremost, because of what it was as an entity. Norwich City, your football club and the outcome was secondary to just being there.
The typical reaction after a game was just we won, we drew or we lost. see you next game. The manager never got the blame, No CEO to dissect and you spoke to the players in a pub afterwards. Me typing this analysis, aimed at people I don't know, never met and never will do, shows how different it all is.
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ZLF
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Good article.
but personally I think the time is right to lower not raise the sights. The common feature is the players; failing to self motivate or arrive for work on time; playing for themselves and not the team, blatant dereliction of duty of their allotted tasks ad happy for another patsy to be their fall guy.
Brentfords first goal encapsulates our seasons problems in 5 seconds, whittaker losing possession being in the middle segment of the problem, not the cause.
Johnson, Olsson, Martin, Turner, Cuellar as well as Whittaker all had shocking games on Sat - all showing the traits above time and again in previous games; It was unusual for so many players to be so bad in one game - but our defeat was a collective, not just down to whittaker. Their good games do not outweigh the bad. If I repeatedly failed to perform I would be one a warning or fired - the player sanction is a loss of wages; why are the 6 named not docked a weeks wages for their repeated errors? Not getting promoted harms our future finances - their repeated failure to do their job affects them not a jot.
These are bad player decision which fatally undermine any planned tactic by either the board or managers. And given the money the board have provided the managers to buy and wages the players draw (our wage bill is the largest in the league by a margin I believe) its hard to see how much more the board could have provided.
The players need to man up - not be scapegoated as with Whittaker - but have consequences of repeated no shows or simple inability called out by the club and fans. How the fans do that is another discussion
but personally I think the time is right to lower not raise the sights. The common feature is the players; failing to self motivate or arrive for work on time; playing for themselves and not the team, blatant dereliction of duty of their allotted tasks ad happy for another patsy to be their fall guy.
Brentfords first goal encapsulates our seasons problems in 5 seconds, whittaker losing possession being in the middle segment of the problem, not the cause.
Johnson, Olsson, Martin, Turner, Cuellar as well as Whittaker all had shocking games on Sat - all showing the traits above time and again in previous games; It was unusual for so many players to be so bad in one game - but our defeat was a collective, not just down to whittaker. Their good games do not outweigh the bad. If I repeatedly failed to perform I would be one a warning or fired - the player sanction is a loss of wages; why are the 6 named not docked a weeks wages for their repeated errors? Not getting promoted harms our future finances - their repeated failure to do their job affects them not a jot.
These are bad player decision which fatally undermine any planned tactic by either the board or managers. And given the money the board have provided the managers to buy and wages the players draw (our wage bill is the largest in the league by a margin I believe) its hard to see how much more the board could have provided.
The players need to man up - not be scapegoated as with Whittaker - but have consequences of repeated no shows or simple inability called out by the club and fans. How the fans do that is another discussion
Yellow Fever
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Yes, most of the players performed badly, but what was the game plan and what were the tactics to achieve it? Those players deserve blame to be sure, but so does the manager who set them up for the match and laid out the tactics, if you can call them that - long aimless hoof-balls into a settled defence, long low-percentage cross field diagonal passes which constantly lost possession, piling forward in numbers without regard to dealing with the inevitable counter-attacks. Was there an attempt to change that at half-time? I couldn't detect any change.
As for McNally, I have been a strong supporter over the years but I just don't understand taking this big a gamble at this time. If Neil Adams did resign then that is one thing, but if he was pushed, that is quite another. This happened after a run of 5 games producing 10 points, largely due to the influence of Phelan coming in. Michael Turner described the the impact that had and how much the players learned from him and bought into what he was doing. Saturday suggests that they haven't yet 'bought into' Alex Neil in a big way, but we'll have to wait to see if that was a one-off and things get better now. I have to say that I'm not optimistic.
As for McNally, the head-hunting of Neil was very much his doing and he will be directly responsible for it's outcome, good or bad.
As for McNally, I have been a strong supporter over the years but I just don't understand taking this big a gamble at this time. If Neil Adams did resign then that is one thing, but if he was pushed, that is quite another. This happened after a run of 5 games producing 10 points, largely due to the influence of Phelan coming in. Michael Turner described the the impact that had and how much the players learned from him and bought into what he was doing. Saturday suggests that they haven't yet 'bought into' Alex Neil in a big way, but we'll have to wait to see if that was a one-off and things get better now. I have to say that I'm not optimistic.
As for McNally, the head-hunting of Neil was very much his doing and he will be directly responsible for it's outcome, good or bad.
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Personal Trainer
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My perception is that as the owners have got older they, understandably, have taken more of a back seat and left the Club in the financially capable hands of the Chairman and the CEO.
Having cleared the external debt with, lets face it, an unexpected three years in the Premier League, he probably sees himself as master of the NCFC "Universe" now able to involve himself in football issues as well as the other regular CEO functions. I bet he isn't the first CEO to believe he is capable of taking football decisions without any experience.
Having said this, I cannot see the Board acting against the CEO but I could see him getting bored if there is no return to "the big boys table".
Having cleared the external debt with, lets face it, an unexpected three years in the Premier League, he probably sees himself as master of the NCFC "Universe" now able to involve himself in football issues as well as the other regular CEO functions. I bet he isn't the first CEO to believe he is capable of taking football decisions without any experience.
Having said this, I cannot see the Board acting against the CEO but I could see him getting bored if there is no return to "the big boys table".
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