Norwich City vs Leeds (Home) Saturday 25th August.

[morty]

Thing is theres basic defending and theres tactical errors and ways of setting us up that makes it too easy for other teams.

As for Pinto - well Farke is persisting with starting him, and seemingly positive on the sidelines when Pinto completely unbalances the side by making a run from deep into a dead end. Against a team like Leeds that, already can, with a manager that has only had very limited time, beat us at our own game, counter much quicker than us and exploit the gaps left by players like pinto.

I agree that we are too easily worked out, and it is a very simple way to exploit us, waiting for us to attack through full backs, and playing the ball into the space that they leave. However, following that on, it is the defensive midfielders job to tuck in an cover when Pinto goes off up the pitch, or at least thats how I think this system should work. We have a few players that are fine with the ball at their feet, but not so great when they haven't, the game was crying out for a grafter like Mclean yesterday, it would have made the system work so much more effectively.

 

[Fenway Frank]

Let’s be honest, Pinto defensively isn’t actually that good is he ?

 

[morty]

Let’s be honest, Pinto defensively isn’t actually that good is he ?

He's good on social media though...

 

[Din]

To be fair Passlack has been bought in to be first choice right back this season, presumably with the view of selling Pinto, but he hasn't even made the bench for a league game yet, which I just don't understand considering the reputation he came here with. He played in the cup and did ok, nothing amazing, but he was blatantly signed to be first choice yet for the first few games we played Marshall out of position ahead of him, and last couple of games has been a transfer listed Pinto. Where is he and why is he not getting on the pitch? If we don't see him after the international break then there's something wrong there.

I do like Pinto and he has a lot of great qualities, but yeah, it is accepted he's not great defensively, which obviously as a right back needs to be the most important aspect of his game. I actually thought the 2 full backs were our two worst players yesterday, Jamal had an absolute shocker.

 

[Fenway Frank]

Passlack looks more like a wing back than a full back to me, plus he’s a member of the short arse club, and when you’re playing big physical players he isn’t going to be great defensively either. You also have to factor in the home grown rule

 

[Din]

Yeah that's what I've heard, but if that's the case you have to wonder why he was even signed. We haven't played 3 at the back once this season so we clearly don't intend to use wing backs that often if at all. Farke and Webber would've known a lot about him when he bought him in, yet he doesn't seem to fit in with what Farke wants to do. You also have to wonder who is supposed to be our first choice right back if it's not him. Pinto was obviously told he could leave and Marshall isn't a defender. At this moment it just looks like a really strange signing. Dortmund also surely wouldn't have loaned him to us if they didn't believe he was gonna play. Farke and Webber must have told Dortmund how they intend to use him and what plans they have for him.

The only thing I can think is that Farke is trying to convert him into a proper right back, and is working with him on training to do that, and doesn't want to throw him in until he thinks he's ready. Problem is it's hard to do that when he's not playing games. As I said, if we don't see him in the games after the international break I'd be inclined to think there's some sort of problem.

 

[Din]

In fact, I've been assuming Passlack was a Farke signing because of the Dortmund link, but him not getting any game time so far has got me wondering whether Webber heard about this highly rated young right back who was available on loan, and decided it's a deal we should go for even though he might not be ideal for Farke's style. Webber clearly has his own Dortmund connections seeing as he's nicked one of their coaches twice.

All speculation though obviously. It would be interesting if Farke were to leave if he were to come out and say one day which deals he led and which were led by Webber.

 

[Canaryboy]

Perhaps Farke wants to play 3 at the back with wing backs (Passlack//Marshall and Lewis/Stiepermann?) but we need to land a centre back first? Would certainly explain why Husband has been let go, and why Raggatt has been loaned out, if we expect a centre back incoming?

Pinto exit if a centre back arrives?

But to be honest I just haven't got a clue anymore. Sort of just miss the days when everybody played 4-4-2 and had their XI which would only change if you got an injury, circa-1994

 

[morty]

In fact, I've been assuming Passlack was a Farke signing because of the Dortmund link, but him not getting any game time so far has got me wondering whether Webber heard about this highly rated young right back who was available on loan, and decided it's a deal we should go for even though he might not be ideal for Farke's style. Webber clearly has his own Dortmund connections seeing as he's nicked one of their coaches twice.

All speculation though obviously. It would be interesting if Farke were to leave if he were to come out and say one day which deals he led and which were led by Webber.

Sometimes though it is better to maybe change how you are doing things, rather than expect players to play out of their comfort zone. A good example of this was how no one knew how to get the best out of Hoolahan really until Lambert put him at the tip of a diamond...

 

[Canaryboy]

Fucks sake, I know I can write some long embarrassing stuff on here now and again but I've just read a long gushing love letter to Daniel Farke on the Pink'un which make me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

Blokes got a tough job and its pathetic to be calling for his head after 5 games (although may not after 10/12),but lets live in the real world here and not wank him off.... 4 wins in 22 I think? He's under a lot of pressure for good reason, he's judged on results and we're not getting them.

 

[Din]

To be fair I read the first little bit and couldn't be bothered with the rest. Now I know how other people feel at least considering most of my posts are about 4 paragraphs long (though to be fair they are extremely well balanced, well written and of a high qualty ).

The thing is all proper Norwich fans want to see Farke succeed. Obviously there's the odd mong who would probably love to see him fail so they can cite their 'the experiment's failed' bullshit (fortunately none on here, can't say the same for the other place). But all real Norwich fans will want him to turn it around and get us up the table, rather than us not do great and have to sack him. Plus whilst the main motivation for that is obviously we love our club and want to see the club be successful, he seems a genuinely nice bloke who I have no doubt is trying his best. 5 games is too soon to judge him but fact is if there's no improvement in the next 5-10 games he will almost certainly have to go, that's just football. At this point though I feel there's no way we can be overly happy with the job he's done or overly upset and disappointed.

 

[hogesar]

I don't think you can doubt Farke is an intelligent guy and generally it always comes across the players like him. He's a highly regarded coach and even though I have doubts he's going to make a success here, I wouldn't be surprised if he did elsewhere. Although more than likely abroad, as opposed to England.

 

[Number 9]

To be fair I read the first little bit and couldn't be bothered with the rest. Now I know how other people feel at least considering most of my posts are about 4 paragraphs long (though to be fair they are extremely well balanced, well written and of a high qualty ).

The thing is all proper Norwich fans want to see Farke succeed. Obviously there's the odd mong who would probably love to see him fail so they can cite their 'the experiment's failed' bullshit (fortunately none on here, can't say the same for the other place). But all real Norwich fans will want him to turn it around and get us up the table, rather than us not do great and have to sack him. Plus whilst the main motivation for that is obviously we love our club and want to see the club be successful, he seems a genuinely nice bloke who I have no doubt is trying his best. 5 games is too soon to judge him but fact is if there's no improvement in the next 5-10 games he will almost certainly have to go, that's just football. At this point though I feel there's no way we can be overly happy with the job he's done or overly upset and disappointed.

Lovely sentiment BUT, it's more like 50 games rather than 5

 

[Canaryboy]

Its 5 games for this current incarnation of the squad, personally would like to see us with Passlack, Buendia + whoever we sign on loan in the next few days before calling our impending relegation battle. Although one of those loanees would almost certainly need to be a capable centre back if we are to have any cause for optimism?

Bolton won't finish 3rd and Stoke won't finish 17th.

Already alarmed by how lightweight we look in centre midfield though, and how we seem to be 2 centre backs short for a team which sometimes like to play 3 centre backs. Also.... if Jerome had been told that he could just concentrate on getting into the 6 yard box and jumping for headers that he knows he won't win without any of the dropping deep to collect the ball or going out wide to close down full backs etc, I reckon he'd have done alright last season

 

[Canaryboy]

ps. Are the Pink'Un sure that they banned the right person when they were trying to stop conflict on there? There seems to be about two dozen Morty's now telling that Lake District bloke to stop being a numpty?

 

[morty]

ps. Are the Pink'Un sure that they banned the right person when they were trying to stop conflict on there? There seems to be about two dozen Morty's now telling that Lake District bloke to stop being a numpty?

It was like banging my head against a brick wall, he was never going to stop

He knows exactly what he is doing, and the reaction he will get.

 

[GJP]

Lovely sentiment BUT, it's more like 50 games rather than 5

Yup.

Do people look back and wish McNally had given Gunn a bit more time?

 

[OldRobert]

It was like banging my head against a brick wall, he was never going to stop

He knows exactly what he is doing, and the reaction he will get.

The ultimate tosser. The previously mentioned love letter to Farke being just one of about 200+ total carp posts by a complete pillock, who should be locked up in Portaloo Road until it crashes down on his idiotic head. I have never read one post of even a modicum of intelligent comment since the bile started running from his keyboard. No doubt he sees himself as King Pinky now. Ugh.

 

[Din]

Lovely sentiment BUT, it's more like 50 games rather than 5

True, but that's why if after 10-12 games this season we're not doing well he'll almost certainly be gone, whereas if it was last season I imagine even if we werent doing great after 10-12 games he still would've been kept on.

 

[OldRobert]

True, but that's why if after 10-12 games this season we're not doing well he'll almost certainly be gone, whereas if it was last season I imagine even if we werent doing great after 10-12 games he still would've been kept on.

We aren't that quick to react to 'not doing great'. Going by past experience the Board can drag it out for a loooooooooooooooong time.