Sorry Alex, enough is enough!

Wiz

Wiz

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No doubt you're a top bloke and all that but you're too much a 'tinkerman' for my liking. No wonder we've shipped in 8 goals in two consecutive home games, players confidence must have been shot to pieces with all your chopping and changing,

I'm afraid the Villa game is now your 'Waterloo'....well, at least with me it is! ;)
 
Scott

Scott

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Didn't really tinker I don't think - just played his new players (bar Bamford) One Canary Caller got it spot on last night about Neil's changing philosophy.
 
splutcho

splutcho

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The players are not good enough to stay in this league. Doesn't matter who's managing in my opinion. Saturday is an absolute must win now. Draw is not enough.
 
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GJP

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Could be argued that Lambert and Hughton kept us up with weaker squads.

Certainly with all the money spent in January AN has been given as much backing as any Norwich manager could expect.

5 defeats in a row now. Must win on Saturday otherwise serious questions will need to be asked.
 
splutcho

splutcho

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Could be argued that Lambert and Hughton kept us up with weaker squads.

It is true that this could be argued, but then it must also be said that every single year the Premier League is getting stronger across the board. Look at Stoke and Palace in those seasons and look at them now. Look at West Ham etc. There are players of amazing quality everywhere you look.
 
KeiranShikari

KeiranShikari

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Bar a run where we lose virtually all of our coming games I doubt we'd sack Neil even if we did drop.
 
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GJP

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It is true that this could be argued, but then it must also be said that every single year the Premier League is getting stronger across the board. Look at Stoke and Palace in those seasons and look at them now. Look at West Ham etc. There are players of amazing quality everywhere you look.
So the opposition are stronger than they were but... so are we.
 
Dubai Mark

Dubai Mark

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I get it Wiz, really do..But, I just feel that right now we have gone past the point of no return and we back him, staying up remains a possibility regardless of ladt night's result.
 
Beauseant

Beauseant

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Could be argued that Lambert and Hughton kept us up with weaker squads.

Certainly with all the money spent in January AN has been given as much backing as any Norwich manager could expect.

5 defeats in a row now. Must win on Saturday otherwise serious questions will need to be asked.
And you expected that the new players signed as part of that backing would turn things around in one or two games, one against possibly the  best side in England on current form? I share your concerns but you have to be realistic in terms of how quickly they will have an impact. Naismith lifted us against Liverpool but the real key is how Klose settles in and whether Neil will drop Bassong and give him a more solid partner. That will, unfortunately take time whether we like it or not.
 
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Lavanche

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Changing manager 3 times in a two years would be stupid anyway. Our team isn't much stronger in my opinion what we had few years back. I would take in form Holt back anyday over our current strikers. Leroy Fer was our best midfielder under Hughton and Hoolahan, Howson, Tettey were back then in the team also and are our most rated central midfielders.

We had Naughton under Lambert, who is still better than anyone we got. Snoddy kept Redmond out of right wing and made points with better ratio than Brady. Pilkington and Surman were not bad players. First just was too injury prone and second didn't fit our tactics under Hughton. Turner and Bassong still had it in them when they played as CB pair. Now both are only shadow what they used to be.

It remains to see if Klose and Naismith are improvements. Brady certainly is at left side of the field, but overall I would say our team is quite much at same level we were under Hughton. 
 
Canaryboy

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If we go down this season I believe the reason will be our failure to sufficiently invest in the squad in the summer. 

Would need to know a lot more about how the club operates internally before pinning the blame on any individual, and I doubt that this is the fault of Alex Neil himself. 

Those questions would need to be asked as part of a relegation post-mortem if we don't survive, for now lets just hope that we can stay up so we don't have the appetite to find people to blame.

Hull stuck by Steve Bruce, to the surprise of many, and it looks like that was a very good decision. 
 
Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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The players are not good enough to stay in this league.
Much stronger sides have been relegated and much weaker sides have survived, we just need a bit of confidence and to try and build some momentum. I really thought we'd turned the corner when we beat Villa and Southampton, two home wins and two clean sheets in a row. 

Villa now looks like a must win, but Villa have beaten Palace at home and taken a point off Leicester since we played them, not going to be an easy 3 points by any means. We need a couple of wins from somewhere though, desperately.  
 
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Fimbo

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We can now say we have an AN team. Six outfield players were his signings yesterday. It would be a crazy time to change manager IMO.
 
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GJP

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And you expected that the new players signed as part of that backing would turn things around in one or two games, one against possibly the  best side in England on current form? I share your concerns but you have to be realistic in terms of how quickly they will have an impact. Naismith lifted us against Liverpool but the real key is how Klose settles in and whether Neil will drop Bassong and give him a more solid partner. That will, unfortunately take time whether we like it or not.
I did not expect that. But when you spend a lot of money in January you have got to turn things around quick. So when you take 5 straight defeats and add that to a spending spree the pressure has to be on to get results.

It's a big game on Saturday. AN has got to get the right team on the pitch tactically but also give them a bit more belief and confidence.
 
Beauseant

Beauseant

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I understand what you're saying, but the five game losing run and the spending spree are largely unconnected. Naismith and Pinto have played in 2, Klose in 1 and Bamford hasn't appeared yet. Of course the pressure is on to get results, but the impact of the transfer window is only now about to become a factor.
 
Ricardo

Ricardo

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No doubt you're a top bloke and all that but you're too much a 'tinkerman' for my liking. No wonder we've shipped in 8 goals in two consecutive home games, players confidence must have been shot to pieces with all your chopping and changing,

I'm afraid the Villa game is now your 'Waterloo'....well, at least with me it is! ;)
I think he's got longer than that but lose to Villa and then to West Ham and you will see and hear a crowd reaction. Once that happens the directors won't let it roll on very much further. Carrow Road is not a very nice place to be when the manager loses the crowd. I've seen it a few times and when it happens you can't mistake it.
 
Brian Fantana

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I think we would be mad to sack AN even if we go down, it takes time to build a team and philosophy and changing manager again just puts that back. I like what AN did last year, I like his work for most of this year and I think the players are to blame for the poor run, not him.

Also, talk of sacking the manager always begs the question "who would you replace him with?"
 
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SussexYellow

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When Alex Neil was appointed barely a year ago we all said "who". He then proceeded to show us why he had been appointed. With that our expectations of him grew - let's be honest to unreasonable levels. Let's face it he had minimal experience of management prior to joining us and we now expect him to hold his own against the very best in the premier league. It's a huge ask and not quite cutting it does not suddenly make him a bad manager.

Ricky - I get your point about losing the crowd and I hope it does not happen. It would be a tragedy to junk a promising manager particularly as I doubt that we would have a quality experienced replacement lined up. I think we should stick come survival or relegation.

Wiz - for what it is worth I agree re a bit too much tinkering. We would be bettered served by something approaching a regular starting eleven. But I expect that is all part of the learning curve he is on.

OTBC
 
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Canaryboy

Canaryboy

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I think we would be mad to sack AN even if we go down,
That really depends on whether he loses the dressing room or not though doesn't it.

We can call it his squad now and he has spent a lot of money, he needs to get them all ticking. 
 
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Number 9

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Back to reality boys, consider how many games Spurs have lost this season, where they are in terms of progression and targets for the season.

I personally said before the game that I feared the worst, even on our best behaviour we would struggle to get anything from the game.

I was disappointed after the Liverpool game, very very bad result after being 3-1 up, but that feeling wasn't changed in any way by the Spurs game. It would have been extremely unlikely to get anything from the spurs game + that's a truism for most teams in this league. Spurs are one of the best sides in the division, they could still win the league.

We need to turn our focus to the next game, Villa, now here are 3 points, this is different from the Spurs game, let's get behind the team and the management and win this one.
 

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