Gaffer
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Odd then that we're supposed to be all excited about some guy whose achievements are no greater than those of Adams.
Gaffer
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Can he do for us what he did for the mighty SV Lippstadt 08 in the Oberliga Westfalen?
I'm not being negative but saying things like 'anyone not excited should find another sport' is unrealistic. More realistic is to say this guy's unproven but let's give him a go.
I'm not being negative but saying things like 'anyone not excited should find another sport' is unrealistic. More realistic is to say this guy's unproven but let's give him a go.
morty
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Can you not at least be a little excited?
morty
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And Monk resigns from Leeds.
Interesting day....
Interesting day....
Gaffer
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OK I'm being a bit of a party pooper but specifically what is it about Farke that should make anyone excited? No one seems to have explained that yet.Can you not at least be a little excited?
Canaryboy
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But we're Norwich City in the Championship and in a state of flux.
Any manager that we appoint is either going to either:
1) Have at least one failure on their CV for people to pick holes in.
2) Or be inexperienced and untested in X league or at Y sized club.
Personally I'm open minded, German managers are in fashion at the minute. Its the new thing, every German manager is suddenly the next Jurgen Klopp, previously every Scot was the next Alex Ferguson, then we had people being labelled as the next Mourinho if they had good hair, a £2000 suit and had never kicked a football. But Felix Magarth had some success in Germany and couldn't have screwed Fulham up much further if he'd tried, Rosler seems to have had as many failures as success's.
Comparing somebody with 8 years of actual managerial experience in competitive leagues with Neil Adams is just a little bit silly if I'm honest, Dortmund II and the club that he managed previously do actually play in a competitive professional league where teams have their own stadiums, try to get promoted and have to try and avoid getting relegated. The comparison would make more sense if they put the best U23 sides in League One and League Two like they wanted to a few years back and Neil Adams was getting 18 year old's to beat teams which had people like David Prutton and Michael Rose kicking them in the shins and telling them that they're sh*t and will never make it for 90 minutes.
Also, Dortmund are probably one of the top 2 world leaders in cutting edge technology and innovative training techniques with Real Madrid. When they reached the Champions League final there were documentaries about some of the training equipment they had, they were light years ahead of anybody else (apart from Real Madrid). If we can get out of this league and find the money to invest more in Colney then the legacy of bringing in people from Dortmund could extend well beyond their tenure.
A lot of professional managers go and spend time at Dortmund learning from their coaches. Not just Paul Lambert either, loads of them. That's the bit which is potentially exciting, we're bringing in somebody who has just spent two years at a special club and the hope is that he can bring some of those new ideas with him. An 8 year old signing a contract with us today will be the same age as the Murphy's in 2030.... that's the way that we need to start thinking. That's the new way.
What is the alternative, Sam Allardyce coming in and signing the same old 30 year old journeymen because there's a brown envelope in it for him? Might get us a promotion and a couple of years in the Premier League, then we'll be left with a squad full of overpaid journeymen again.
Farke could be a disaster, could be the best thing to happen to us since Lambert in 2009, who knows... we'll find out. But the same applies to any managerial appointment really doesn't it?
Any manager that we appoint is either going to either:
1) Have at least one failure on their CV for people to pick holes in.
2) Or be inexperienced and untested in X league or at Y sized club.
Personally I'm open minded, German managers are in fashion at the minute. Its the new thing, every German manager is suddenly the next Jurgen Klopp, previously every Scot was the next Alex Ferguson, then we had people being labelled as the next Mourinho if they had good hair, a £2000 suit and had never kicked a football. But Felix Magarth had some success in Germany and couldn't have screwed Fulham up much further if he'd tried, Rosler seems to have had as many failures as success's.
Comparing somebody with 8 years of actual managerial experience in competitive leagues with Neil Adams is just a little bit silly if I'm honest, Dortmund II and the club that he managed previously do actually play in a competitive professional league where teams have their own stadiums, try to get promoted and have to try and avoid getting relegated. The comparison would make more sense if they put the best U23 sides in League One and League Two like they wanted to a few years back and Neil Adams was getting 18 year old's to beat teams which had people like David Prutton and Michael Rose kicking them in the shins and telling them that they're sh*t and will never make it for 90 minutes.
Also, Dortmund are probably one of the top 2 world leaders in cutting edge technology and innovative training techniques with Real Madrid. When they reached the Champions League final there were documentaries about some of the training equipment they had, they were light years ahead of anybody else (apart from Real Madrid). If we can get out of this league and find the money to invest more in Colney then the legacy of bringing in people from Dortmund could extend well beyond their tenure.
A lot of professional managers go and spend time at Dortmund learning from their coaches. Not just Paul Lambert either, loads of them. That's the bit which is potentially exciting, we're bringing in somebody who has just spent two years at a special club and the hope is that he can bring some of those new ideas with him. An 8 year old signing a contract with us today will be the same age as the Murphy's in 2030.... that's the way that we need to start thinking. That's the new way.
What is the alternative, Sam Allardyce coming in and signing the same old 30 year old journeymen because there's a brown envelope in it for him? Might get us a promotion and a couple of years in the Premier League, then we'll be left with a squad full of overpaid journeymen again.
Farke could be a disaster, could be the best thing to happen to us since Lambert in 2009, who knows... we'll find out. But the same applies to any managerial appointment really doesn't it?
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Canaryboy
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I wonder whether Dortmund have got any wonderkids that they may fancy loaning us for the season?
OldRobert
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Must admit to being more optimistic about Farke than all the other names that were bandied about. No idea why, no damn all about him. Living in hope I suppose, which the others didn't fill me with.
dj161
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I quite like the look of this fella Marco Reus, lets test the waters and try and get him in on loan for 3 or 4 years
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GJP
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Fenway Frank
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A pre season match at their place would be awesome
dj161
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surely it'd be better if they came here, then we can show them what a yellow wearing football team really looks like
Gaffer
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The idea of Dortmund, German coaching and vorsprung durch technik coming together to gift us promotion is attractive but in the end it's the bread and butter issues like can he command the respect of the players and can he read his English opponents well enough to execute a decent game plan that's going to make the difference.
Canaryboy
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5 of the 6 teams to finish in the top 6 had a foreign manager, and we've never had one.
The pool of British managers who are prepared to work as a "head coach" with limited control over transfers is quite limited, so its not surprising that we've gone to the continent to find one.
British managers are dinosaurs who all fancy themselves as the next Alex Ferguson and believe in micro-managing every aspect of the club, but most simply aren't fit to shine his shoes and end up doing silly things like signing a goalkeeper from the A-league or giving a 3.5 year contract to an injured injury prone 30 year old.
We needed to arrive in the 21st century with our structure. If its good enough for Spurs and Pochettino then it should be good enough for Norwich City and whoever. That says it all for me really, we've just sacked a manager who was probably on £600 a week at Hamilton who felt that the same job that Pochettino does was beneath him.
Its no surprise that we felt we needed to appoint from overseas until British managers realise that its the 21st century. Then they have the cheek to moan that British managers don't get the top jobs. Either you manage a top club like Norwich in a modern progressive structure, or you can manage a tinpot club like Hamilton or Accrington Stanley and get to pretend to be Alex Ferguson because they're employer can't afford a sporting director.
I'd personally question why we'd want a British manager at the moment, where are the celebrated up and coming talents? If Alex Neil is the best that Alex Ferguson could recommend then we should 100% recruit from overseas. I don't expect to ever see Alex Neil in the Premier League again, unless its as an assistant manager.
The pool of British managers who are prepared to work as a "head coach" with limited control over transfers is quite limited, so its not surprising that we've gone to the continent to find one.
British managers are dinosaurs who all fancy themselves as the next Alex Ferguson and believe in micro-managing every aspect of the club, but most simply aren't fit to shine his shoes and end up doing silly things like signing a goalkeeper from the A-league or giving a 3.5 year contract to an injured injury prone 30 year old.
We needed to arrive in the 21st century with our structure. If its good enough for Spurs and Pochettino then it should be good enough for Norwich City and whoever. That says it all for me really, we've just sacked a manager who was probably on £600 a week at Hamilton who felt that the same job that Pochettino does was beneath him.
Its no surprise that we felt we needed to appoint from overseas until British managers realise that its the 21st century. Then they have the cheek to moan that British managers don't get the top jobs. Either you manage a top club like Norwich in a modern progressive structure, or you can manage a tinpot club like Hamilton or Accrington Stanley and get to pretend to be Alex Ferguson because they're employer can't afford a sporting director.
I'd personally question why we'd want a British manager at the moment, where are the celebrated up and coming talents? If Alex Neil is the best that Alex Ferguson could recommend then we should 100% recruit from overseas. I don't expect to ever see Alex Neil in the Premier League again, unless its as an assistant manager.
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Canaryboy
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*their employer.
morty
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Exactly. And it makes pie face Brazil and Wilkins look pretty stupid in their views on the matter. Do they see us as some kind of cute last bastion of the archetypal British small club?
Canaryboy
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Garry Monk is one exception, he actually was a "head coach", so I know there were a few British candidates, but you'd be hoping for a larger pool than that to pick from. Wouldn't have grumbled at him, but I'm not grumbling at Farke yet either.
Ray Wilkins views were silly, especially the bit where he lists Alex McLeish as one of the unemployed managers and then says that teams on the continent don't employ British managers... McLeish was at Genk a couple of years ago!
If British managers want more opportunities overseas then they need to be prepared to work as a "head coach" and learning another language to intermediate level might help their cause. I doubt we were considering Germans who couldn't speak any English. That was the stupidest bit of his comments. He's not a stupid bloke and has played overseas, so he should know all this. Didn't Guardiola take a year out of the game to learn German so he could manage in Germany?
Oh and as for mentioning Giggs as a candidate, why do these superstar players like him and Sol Campbell think their footballing ability means they can skip taking the crap jobs first? Should look at where Martin O'Neil and Paul Lambert started in management. Farke gets criticised for cutting his teeth in the German 4th division, but we should appoint Giggs even though he probably thinks a year or two in our 4th division (League Two) would be beneath him?
I'll take Giggs after he has finished his 3rd full season at Morecambe or Crewe.
Sense of entitlement is the problem with many British managers.
Ray Wilkins views were silly, especially the bit where he lists Alex McLeish as one of the unemployed managers and then says that teams on the continent don't employ British managers... McLeish was at Genk a couple of years ago!
If British managers want more opportunities overseas then they need to be prepared to work as a "head coach" and learning another language to intermediate level might help their cause. I doubt we were considering Germans who couldn't speak any English. That was the stupidest bit of his comments. He's not a stupid bloke and has played overseas, so he should know all this. Didn't Guardiola take a year out of the game to learn German so he could manage in Germany?
Oh and as for mentioning Giggs as a candidate, why do these superstar players like him and Sol Campbell think their footballing ability means they can skip taking the crap jobs first? Should look at where Martin O'Neil and Paul Lambert started in management. Farke gets criticised for cutting his teeth in the German 4th division, but we should appoint Giggs even though he probably thinks a year or two in our 4th division (League Two) would be beneath him?
I'll take Giggs after he has finished his 3rd full season at Morecambe or Crewe.
Sense of entitlement is the problem with many British managers.
morty
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Tony Adams could well be available soon too....
OldRobert
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Not forgetting the Wally with the Brolly who worked in Holland not so long ago, if my memory serves me correctly. Not only that, he can speak the language, well, English with a Dutch accent when interviewed! LOL.
Gaffer
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Still waiting for that explanation...
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