Canaryboy
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Well I can't see Webber going anywhere this season, but Farke will depend on results won't it?
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Well I can't see Webber going anywhere this season, but Farke will depend on results won't it?
Din
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I think unless we're doing disastrously, Farke will at least see out the season. Hard to know how Webber and the board would view another 14th place finish to be fair. But yeah, unless we've taken a big step backwards from last season I can't see him going before his contract's up, even if we trudge along in mid-table for the whole campaign.
Canaryboy
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Yeah probably the more likely scenario, Farke being thanked for overseeing our two year transition period, taking us through to the point where Matt Jarvis, Russell Martin, Steven Naismith and Michael McGovern drop off the payroll (easy to forget that a hefty proportion of our budget / the Maddison proceeds is still being used to pay ageing deadwood).
But then what? Webber abandons his principles and appoints a manager with extensive experience of English football who then embarks on a cleanse of a dressing room full of German speakers and release all the German speaking coaches? Or appoint another German who then needs time to learn the league? (Huddersfield's manager had an adjustment year didn't he?) Bit of a flaw in not extending Farke's contract isn't there.... we sort of really need him to succeed this season, or we have a new manager having a 'transition' next year.
Webber isn't blameless though is he.... Husband was a terrible signing and clearly his, Russell Martin's contract extension, and some questionable decisions regarding youth players, particularly Glenn Middleton. I also rated Declan Rudd and wonder whether we'd have been better off using him instead of making £10m for the countries richest club (short term 'feel good' signing?).
Decision to sell Graham Dorrans looking much more sensible now that he's become Rangers' very own Matt Jarvis though! Played 15 games last season for them, and now out until December, Rangers fans questioning whether they'll see him in their shirt again...
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dj161
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Krul
Marshall Hanley Klose Lewis
Tettey Trybull
Leitner Pukki Hernandez
Marshall Hanley Klose Lewis
Tettey Trybull
Leitner Pukki Hernandez
Rhodes
Din
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To be fair I imagine its more of a midfield 3, with Trybull, Tettey and Leitner central, Pukki and Hernandez in support of Rhodes.
Actually looking forward to this!
Actually looking forward to this!
Din
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Honestly such a disheartening way to lose. Don't know whether to be angry at the team or what because we played so well in general in that second half. Defensively disciplined and should've won it with the chances we had, Leitner's being the stand-out. Obviously no-one expected him to match the number of goals Maddison got last season but he simply has to be converting chances like that. At the very least he had Hernandez to his left just knock it to him and he has an open goal. Overall Leitner wasn't at his best. The rest though all superb. Tettey and Trybull absolute warriors, Hernandez too good for Sheffield United's backline, Rhodes looking dangerous, Pukki I like more with each game, Jamal looked like he hadn't been away, Klose in particular at the back was solid, Krul looked reliable. There were so many good performances in there that I just can't get my head around how we've lost.
Just so frustrating to lose a game like that, and it gets you wondering whether there's actually a really big underlying mentality problem at the club. But I don't get it because last season we were often seeing out 1 goal leads or draws away from home, yet twice already this season we've been on for a point only to concede in the 90th minute, we just got lucky against Birmingham that they were so poor they conceded one as well. I don't know whether it was nerves or fatigue, but the last 10 minutes we lost all composure. Lewis, Trybull and Tettey all started making wrong decisions on the ball, Stiepermann, who had just come on, gave the ball away in a dreadful position not too long before the goal and was lucky not to be punished. For the goal though, Srbeny takes an absolutely shocking touch halfway inside his own half, gifts the ball to them and 10 seconds later it's in our goal. All Srbeny has to do there is not take a woeful touch and we draw the game, yet he couldn't do it. So annoying after such a good 2nd half performance where we could and should have won the game.
Nice that we have a home game in the week to potentially help get over it, not gonna be easy against Preston though. We do have a difficult opening run of fixtures which is typical, and the longer we go without a league win the more likely we are to cave when under pressure like today.
Just so frustrating to lose a game like that, and it gets you wondering whether there's actually a really big underlying mentality problem at the club. But I don't get it because last season we were often seeing out 1 goal leads or draws away from home, yet twice already this season we've been on for a point only to concede in the 90th minute, we just got lucky against Birmingham that they were so poor they conceded one as well. I don't know whether it was nerves or fatigue, but the last 10 minutes we lost all composure. Lewis, Trybull and Tettey all started making wrong decisions on the ball, Stiepermann, who had just come on, gave the ball away in a dreadful position not too long before the goal and was lucky not to be punished. For the goal though, Srbeny takes an absolutely shocking touch halfway inside his own half, gifts the ball to them and 10 seconds later it's in our goal. All Srbeny has to do there is not take a woeful touch and we draw the game, yet he couldn't do it. So annoying after such a good 2nd half performance where we could and should have won the game.
Nice that we have a home game in the week to potentially help get over it, not gonna be easy against Preston though. We do have a difficult opening run of fixtures which is typical, and the longer we go without a league win the more likely we are to cave when under pressure like today.
Fenway Frank
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Thanks for the report Din, as according to 90% of the posters on the pinkun, who obviously weren’t at the game we were sh1t and it’s time for a change 
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Ben
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Two glorious chances went missing. Fine margins in this game, but it's now been an underwhelming start following an underwhelming season. How long does Farke have at this rate?
Two glorious chances went missing. Fine margins in this game, but it's now been an underwhelming start following an underwhelming season. How long does Farke have at this rate?
Din
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Thanks for the report Din, as according to 90% of the posters on the pinkun, who obviously weren’t at the game we were sh1t and it’s time for a change
To be fair I was seething at the final whistle that we weren't able to see out the point. But it was one of them where if the game finishes 1-1 then everyone comes away optimistic and saying what a good away performance that was. The fact is though we couldn't see it out, which points to some sort of problem. Whether that's mentality or fatigue I don't know but there was a notable drop in our performance level in the last 10 minutes which was worrying.
But like the West Brom game there are undoubted positives, it's just the way in which we lost which is so disheartening. One thing I will say that really didn't help was the lack of attacking options on the bench, with McLean, Buendia and Cantwell all out injured. Even if we had Pinto or Passlack as a sub we could've bought one of them on and moved Marshall up. Srbeny was the only real attacking option we had and he's hardly the most reliable. In general we look so much better going forward so far this season, and today Trybull and Tettey sitting in front of the back 4 really worked, and I have no doubt it will be something that gets the better of teams this season. We need to keep doing what we're doing and I am confident the results will follow, it's just a case of getting that first win on the board and getting that weight lifted off our shoulders. Problem is with our relatively difficult start to the season it could be a while before we see that, which is worrying.
Canaryboy
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Keep hearing that we've got tough fixtures to start the season, is there any combination of fixtures that would have been easy?
We beat Birmingham 2-0 at their place last season and beat Sheffield United 1-0 at their place last season. Kept clean sheets in both games.
Birmingham had some kid in goal making his first ever competitive appearance due to their transfer embargo, and several youth team players on the bench.... and they finished 19th last season.
Sheffield United had a good start last season but ultimately finished mid-table like us. Apparently they had a problem with a virus which messed up their preparation for this game, yet we were the ones that you say looked tired towards the end. They made a couple of good signings in the summer (Henderson and Egan),but we can't use the excuse that we've got lots of new players that need to gel because Sheffield United had 6 new players on the pitch today and we had 4.
Finishing positions last season of our first 10 league opponents:
Birmingham (19th)
West Brom (Prem)
Sheffield United (10th)
Preston (7th)
Leeds United (13th)
Ipswich (12th)
Middlesbrough (5th)
Reading (20th)
QPR (16th)
Wigan (League One)
I mean.... I don't think a 'tough start' should be any sort of mitigating factor when considering how Farke has got on in the first 10 games of the season, looks pretty standard to me. Its a tough league.
We play 4 of the bookies 6 favourites for relegation in the first 10 games (Reading, QPR, Birmingham, Ipswich),so its arguably an easier than average start?
How much easier could an opening away fixture be than playing a team which was in a relegation battle last season, that we beat in the same fixture last season, who hadn't been able to make a single signing in the summer before playing us and who had to name several kids in the squad including a debutant keeper?
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GJP
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It's not good enough.
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Number 9
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I'm not a mathematician, but on the back of an envelope I've worked out that we've let 8 goals in after 3 games.
It's ok because Herr Farke says were top of the stats league!
If we're not scoring, I expect to be 0-0.
Concern and turmoil.
It's ok because Herr Farke says were top of the stats league!
If we're not scoring, I expect to be 0-0.
Concern and turmoil.
Din
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I think certainly the first 7 games are very tricky. In the case of Birmingham, from when Monk came in last season they picked up 16 points from 11 games. If they had averaged that ratio for the whole season they would've finished on 60 odd points, comfortably top half. So add in the fact Monk has had a full pre-season under his belt, plus because of their transfer embargo they have a settled squad, it was always gonna be a difficult game. There is a sense as well that anything can happen on the opening day, we drew away at Fulham last year after all.
Leeds and Middlesbrough are the current top 2, and both expected to be there or there abouts this season. West Brom obviously newly relegated and have a lot of quality in their squad. Preston and Sheffield United both mounted play off challenges last season, and the only 'poor' side in that first 7 are the scum, but as a derby game it's always going to be tough.
Don't get me wrong, with how the opening 3 games have gone having 2 points on the board is not good enough. We arguably should've won all 3. But with the way we have played overall, I think if our opening 3 games were Reading, QPR, Wigan, we would have a lot more points.
Din
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Completely agree. Just got to hope that the shipping goals so far this season is due to new players settling in, change in style etc. We've had 5 different players play left back so far this season, 3 different starters in 3 games. Hopefully next few games we can start to establish a more settled defence and go from there.
If we can't then that indicates a bigger problem, most likely with the mentality, which would be disastrous.
Dubai Mark
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It's always interesting to read differing views. I agree with most of the above, but actually was not as impressed with Tettey & Trybull. I just didnt see enough work from them, and they both make silly mistakes like they have concentration problems. I would prefer to see us play one or the other only, but understand why yesterday we didnt due to some availability constraints. Other than the first twenty minutes or so when we just couldnt handle them, we played well enough to deserve a point.
hogesar
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Trybull had an awful opening 30 minutes and Tettey done too much wandering and lacked discipline.
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GJP
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Shouldn't be letting the goals in. DF has had a full season, he's had transfer windows, he's had another pre-season.
Does anyone see him getting us into the top 6 come May?
Does anyone see him getting us into the top 6 come May?
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