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Where we are just now...

morty

morty

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Little bit of a recap / summary of moans and gripes on Twitter last night / brain download.

We all know the challenge, we know we're too good for the Championship, but not quite good enough for the Premier league. We all know the reasons why too, we are massively punching against our weight, given our self funding structure, up to you whether or not you like it, personally I do, I find it unique and sustainable. I remember, some years ago when FFP was first introduced and I was of the belief that one day this would benefit us, step forward Derby and Reading to kind of prove I was thinking along the right lines. So we know the challenges we operate under, and the problems our model brings, but I do admit the likes of Talksport saying we should spend money we simply do not have, on the same day Derby slip into administration, is genuinely hilarious, and makes our point.

Nobody has enough money, Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal all want more, they want to spend a billion quid like Man City do, so it begs the question, does money actually buy football happiness? Is it just a relentless crack of the whip from our Sky masters to spend more and more and more? Making them more money in the process?

So we are where we are, and I doubt our ownership model is going to change anytime soon.

So here we are in the Premier league again, just 6 league games ago we were lifting the Championship trophy and all was great in the world. We had Covid issues causing pre season games to be cancelled, and we also left a lot of our business late, but on the whole I think most fans started the season fairly upbeat, fully aware of our position and aware of the job ahead. We all looked at the first four games of the season, and likely wrote them off in our heads, the fixture computer dealt us a hard start there. We got through those games with mixed performances, Leicester was okayish, Arsenal maybe a bit unlucky. So we came to Watford, which was our first game of the season, kind of, and it obviously did not go well. Last night, cup game, bit of a free hit, some things were okay, some not so much, and suddenly social media absolutely exploded. Many calling for Farke to be sacked, which isn't entirely realistic. I understand people are upset, but I don't think I have ever seen a fanbase turn so quickly.

The case for.

We have replaced a large part of our squad, Farke has only worked with some of them for two weeks in training. There are likely still lingering Covid issues, and there are certainly issues with not having a proper pre season. Farke has said we are actually only 3 points behind where he thought we would be just now, in fact we are actually only 3 points (and some goal difference) from safety. We haven't put the same side out twice, in fact we had 3 different centre back pairings in the last three league matches, we need to be able to be put out a settled lineup at some point, especially important from a defensive point of view. We have also played four of our hardest games.

The case against.

We don't have the time to play catchup, fine we are 3 points from safety now, but what happens when that becomes 9? The longer there is that zero next to Norwich City in the table, the heavier it becomes. Heads can easily start to go down when we get whupped every week, our last 10 games of the previous Premier league campaign shows that once heads go down, there is very little way back. The manager has fewer excuses to deploy this time, our squad is decent, it is up to him to get the best out of it. We have very little actual Premier league experience, and that certainly showed against Watford, where, for me, it wasn't a team issue, but down to individual lapses in concentration that need to be cut out. Booing at full time? I can understand it, the Watford game was built up by the manager, and I think most of us expected us to get something from it, which made the fall harder.

Its going to be a long season, my thoughts? I think we could be okay, there are 4 or 5 other teams that are easily relegation material. But, we need to click, and click fast.
 
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gerryinromania

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Well done Morty. A good read. Sure there are things that we fans agree with and some things that we don't. Problem is, the loud mouthed ones that don't agree with anything that has been done or is being done at Norwich City F.C. We, not all of us, pledge our allegience. to NCFC, some with many years under the belt, some with only a few. We all know that we can do better than any single member on the city staff, and we are moaning and groaning, but we, in general are Norwich City lovers. Thank goodness that I don't do twitter or facebook
 
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Number 9

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Analogy -

Just as Rupp, Onel & McLean are Championship players, never going to improve enough to be successful in the Premier League, so Farke is proving to be a Championship manager.
An example of this is Colin Wanker, a decent Championship manager but has never really proved he has Premier League quality.
 
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GJP

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Many calling for Farke to be sacked, which isn't entirely realistic. I understand people are upset, but I don't think I have ever seen a fanbase turn so quickly.

Even if we finish bottom with a record low tally I wouldn't want him gone.

Hopefully he'll land on that winning formula that keeps us up but the Premier League is just something else.
 
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Number 9

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Even if we finish bottom with a record low tally I wouldn't want him gone.

Hopefully he'll land on that winning formula that keeps us up but the Premier League is just something else.
He will be long gone before things get that bad.
 
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Kuzma

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Good points well made Mortie!! I say give it four or five games or sack Fark. we must stop the ridiclous booing tho - not Gonna help anyone!!!
 
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Number 9

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Good points well made Mortie!! I say give it four or five games or sack Fark. we must stop the ridiclous booing tho - not Gonna help anyone!!!
Problem is the last few months allows room for the perception that the club hasn't learnt from the last dismal season in the Prem.
During the next month, new signings will have had opportunity to settle and it will be quite apparent if Farke is managing to turn it round, or whether we're still 'unlucky'.
 
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Kuzma

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Problem is the last few months allows room for the perception that the club hasn't learnt from the last dismal season in the Prem.
During the next month, new signings will have had opportunity to settle and it will be quite apparent if Farke is managing to turn it round, or whether we're still 'unlucky'.
yes good point mate. i think we will have a better idea come christmas. if we are too far adrift then maybe the axe will fall on mr fark so a new coach can get new players in jan 2022........
 
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Number 9

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yes good point mate. i think we will have a better idea come christmas. if we are too far adrift then maybe the axe will fall on mr fark so a new coach can get new players in jan 2022........
Can't imagine any new players coming in January, apart from the usual kids for the academy.
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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Ignoring our new posters antics I think there has been a very quick swing against DF, almost like some people were waiting for it or they enjoy wallowing a bit too much. No one denies it’s been a poor start, particularly the Watford game where we all thought we would and should have got a result.
Social media is at its worst In these situations and encourages people to over react in my opinion. It’s like the reaction to Farke having a pop at Tzolis for taking the pen, he wasn’t the designated taker and deserved any telling off, in public or not. I don’t remember anyone having a go at Lambert when he had a swipe at Wes when he made a massive cock up taking a pen ( qpr away ? )
I still have hope that we can turn this around but I didn’t see the Watford or Liverpool games !
 
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Kuzma

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the wes cock up penalty was against preston at home...............
 
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Number 9

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Ignoring our new posters antics I think there has been a very quick swing against DF, almost like some people were waiting for it or they enjoy wallowing a bit too much. No one denies it’s been a poor start, particularly the Watford game where we all thought we would and should have got a result.
Social media is at its worst In these situations and encourages people to over react in my opinion. It’s like the reaction to Farke having a pop at Tzolis for taking the pen, he wasn’t the designated taker and deserved any telling off, in public or not. I don’t remember anyone having a go at Lambert when he had a swipe at Wes when he made a massive cock up taking a pen ( qpr away ? )
I still have hope that we can turn this around but I didn’t see the Watford or Liverpool games !
Do you not think that the public outcry is partly influenced by the last season in the Prem and the fans not being able to express their feelings at the games?
 
morty

morty

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Do you not think that the public outcry is partly influenced by the last season in the Prem and the fans not being able to express their feelings at the games?
Possibly.

But the concept of being angry 2 seasons ago, so saving it up to express at a later date, seem a wee bit silly to me. I find that any lingering annoyance I had two seasons ago was cancelled out by the amazing season we had after it.
 
OldRobert

OldRobert

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Enough is enough imo. We can still get out of this mess but only if we change management now. We cannot carry on drifting on and on, setting 2 games further on targets, losing, then more targets. Daniel is proving that he cannot cut it at this level, any other club with our recent record would have dealt with it. I don't like to see my club ridiculed and mocked in the press and by other club's fans, which we are wholesale, with some justification. Not just because we're losing but the way we're losing coupled with what happened two years ago. Everyone has been affected by Covid and injuries, we can't go on making excuse after excuse. Atm we are too good for the Championship but not good enough for the PL, so something has too change, and in our heart of hearts we all know what.
 
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