Dandy Mountfarto
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My farts, much like my posts, smell like a fragrant summer breeze
CanaryOnTheWire
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The overriding issue with the pathetic 'Should Norwich have sacked Chris Hughton?' vote is that it doesn't include a 'WHEN' argument. Should we have sacked Hughton in general? Yes. Should we have sacked him when we did? No, it was stupid. Either way though, if those voting No had had to watch us week in week out, playing rigid, regressive, defeatist football- they'd soon change their minds.
The Great Mass Debater
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Thing is, very few people voting would have a clue about our season, or the season before. Very few people outside of Norwich would have followed us closely. Many of those votes would be from people who didnt know what they were talking about. As far as they are concerned, we only got relegated because we sacked him, I mean come on, we werent even in the relegation zone and had 5 games left. What do we want down there? Bonkers!
Either that or they are voting on a different question - ie were Norwich right to scak him with 5 games left. I think many Norwich fans would agree it was stupid. Not a stupid decision, but stupid that things got left that late that there was nothing left to do but one last desperate throw of the dice.
Think most fans think Hughton should have been sacked before January, to give a new manager time, and the window to turn things round. Suppose it was all about the Fulham game. Bounce effect could have given us the vital points we needed to crawl over the line. We twisted, we went bust
The Great Mass Debater
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Beat me to it. That vote simply demonstrates the ignorance when it comes to our club that football fans in general have (and not just our club, most unfashionable smaller clubs). Think what had gone before with Hughtons perceived harsh sacking at Newcastle also garners a lot of public sympathy for a guy who always seems so nice and polite on those interviews they see when their team has just beaten his
ZLF
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Every manager has faith in their own ability so the statement (especially with could, not would) is probably a fair assessment of what he thought he could do - and having won at stoke and wba earlier in the season probably had reason to feel a win at a v poor fulham was possible. CH has rightly taken the blame for our relegation but I do think it has masked just how poorly the squad played last season, including grafters such as snoddy and bj.
For me the timing was crucial, until WBA we were on track to survive; but we were woeful that day. Sacking him then was both inevitable but also a one game £90m gamble on a honeymoon bounce of a win for neyul.
That we made so many changes with just 5 days training meant that the odds of gaining anything from the game became unlikely - the lack of clarity of purpose with the numerous positional & tactical changes which meant that low confidence was compunded by confusion (eg too often in the first half we had most of our players within 15 yards of each other in attack) making us disjointed and unable to pose any threat in gaining all 3 points.
As warren pointed out CH is unlikely to have done any worse in those 5 games - but we will never know and we find ourselves where the squad deserved to be, with a new philosophy and league appropriate quality squad aimed at combining immediate re-promotion with entertainment. We should focus on that rather than continuing postmortems of lasts seasons disappointing efforts
For me the timing was crucial, until WBA we were on track to survive; but we were woeful that day. Sacking him then was both inevitable but also a one game £90m gamble on a honeymoon bounce of a win for neyul.
That we made so many changes with just 5 days training meant that the odds of gaining anything from the game became unlikely - the lack of clarity of purpose with the numerous positional & tactical changes which meant that low confidence was compunded by confusion (eg too often in the first half we had most of our players within 15 yards of each other in attack) making us disjointed and unable to pose any threat in gaining all 3 points.
As warren pointed out CH is unlikely to have done any worse in those 5 games - but we will never know and we find ourselves where the squad deserved to be, with a new philosophy and league appropriate quality squad aimed at combining immediate re-promotion with entertainment. We should focus on that rather than continuing postmortems of lasts seasons disappointing efforts
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The Great Mass Debater
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Agree he probably wouldnt have done any worse (ie we would still have been relegated). But where on the earth the evidence is to suggest a major turnaround, even for one game, only Hughton will know. People talk about his record in 'must-win games'. Well wasnt West Brom 'must win'? As retrospectively we are now able to say we were fighting against West Brom all along, this game more than any other was 'must win'. Had we not lost this game, we would not have gone down.
Nothing about our run of form, what we saw in that game, our away form in general or Hughtons personal record against Fulham makes me think for a second that points at Fulham was likely. I also doubt we'd have got anything from the big 4 either. Remember, this was not Hughtons team of that 10 game unbeaten run. We hadnt seen that for 18 months
Nothing about our run of form, what we saw in that game, our away form in general or Hughtons personal record against Fulham makes me think for a second that points at Fulham was likely. I also doubt we'd have got anything from the big 4 either. Remember, this was not Hughtons team of that 10 game unbeaten run. We hadnt seen that for 18 months
The Ghost of Michael Theo
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Exactly. It's the perception of the job from people not in Norwich that allows him to have statements like 'i would have kept them up' and have the greater footballing world believe him.
I believe the sacking came at the perfect timing for Chris Hughton's career. If he had have stayed, and we went down, it would have been very different.
The Great Mass Debater
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Does everybody agree that Hughton would have been sacked in the summer anyway? Whatever the outcome? Its an oft-posted theme - but think about it - he had a good record in the Championship, he would have changed his approach. Arguably he would have been a good manager to install to target promotion - 'so lets just keep him'. Or, after having pulled off the great escape by getting results at top teams - 'how can we sack him now?!'
The Ghost of Michael Theo
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I believe he probably would have been sacked has we stayed up. I think the general consensus at the time was he had lost the fans support - especially after the AGM statements about mid-table and the style.
However, if we'd have gone down, the reasons you give gave a compelling argument for staying with him.
It would have been interesting.
However, if we'd have gone down, the reasons you give gave a compelling argument for staying with him.
It would have been interesting.
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cityoldboy
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The board said he would have been in an interview with MWJ.
However it was easy to say that after the event.
He simply was not a good fit with NCFC and the way we have traditionally
played football. What he does next does not interest me although I would like
to see a team managed by him played us at Carrow Road.
However it was easy to say that after the event.
He simply was not a good fit with NCFC and the way we have traditionally
played football. What he does next does not interest me although I would like
to see a team managed by him played us at Carrow Road.
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