Pre match "music"

[Lake District Canary]

To be honest I couldn't care less whether we have goal music or not, when we score all that I am really aware of if is the massive explosion of excitement that I feel, I don't think music can enhance or detract from that experience.

The 321 and the goal music are artificial and as much as I like  singing OTBC and jumping up and down and shouting/applauding when we score - as soon as it starts, it stops me from carrying on the celebration.  I looked around after the goals against Watford and Blackburn and there were plenty of people who stopped clapping the instant the music started after the goals, so its not just me.  I have a deep seated aversion to anything that regiments people in some way - and I certainly don't expect it at football matches.  Spontaneity is missing from so much of what we do these days, the feeling of someone else trying to channel the way I react to something special like when a goal goes in, is deeply offensive.    Over the top?  Not really.  If you let someone dictate to you how you behave, then you are giving them control. There is enough control in everyday life, for reasons of health and safety and good citizenship, etc etc, so to have controls put on you when we score is a step too far. 

And what if you don't like the choice of music?   You could say that the goal music is unpopular with some people on musical grounds, because there will be people that don't like that particular piece or style of music.  So even if you don't mind clapping in mindless unison,  you could still not want to join in because you don't like the particular music.

Overall, there is more to be said against goal music than for it imo.  It doesn't really prolong the celebration, it merely controls it - and there are people that actively don't like it.    People pay money to watch NCFC so why should some of them have their celebration of goals spoiled by something they don't like? 

 

[Keckers]

But the same argument can be made for those who do like it LDC.

Either way, it's not a big deal. It's nice to hear it so much this year compared to last. That's the most important thing to me.

 

[Lake District Canary]

But the same argument can be made for those who do like it LDC.

Either way, it's not a big deal. It's nice to hear it so much this year compared to last. That's the most important thing to me.

I don't think it does work the other way.  That some people find the music irritating is a consideration imo. The main thing should be that we celebrate a goal - we can all agree that that is something we will do, goal music or no goal music.  Anything that detracts from that, even if it is for only a proportion of fans, should be a concern.  We tried not having goal music last season and nobody noticed it wasn't there - even though the goals went missing too - but the goals I did see were celebrated long and hard, no music needed.  

Would people really miss their fix of clapping along to naff music when we score?  Would it upset them if their was no poor quality sound blaring out that they could clap along to? Or would they be just enjoying the feeling of scoring?     It doesn't happen at away matches, thankfully - where goal celebrations are unrestricted and spontaneous - which is how it should be imo.    

 

[Yellowfuture]

"Lake District Canary" post. "The 321 and the goal music are artificial and as much as I like  singing OTBC and jumping up and down and shouting/applauding when we score - as soon as it starts, it stops me from carrying on the celebration.  I looked around after the goals against Watford and Blackburn and there were plenty of people who stopped clapping the instant the music started after the goals, so its not just me."

Interested to read that the music stops you from continuing your celebration of goals. I have never though of it like that presumably because it doesn't affect me in that way. I don't think anything, other than maybe a bucket of iced water over the head, would interfer with my celebration, shouting/applauding a goal.

 

[Lake District Canary]

Interested to read that the music stops you from continuing your celebration of goals. I have never though of it like that presumably because it doesn't affect me in that way. I don't think anything, other than maybe a bucket of iced water over the head, would interfer with my celebration, shouting/applauding a goal.

I don't think its just me. Against Watford, I just tried carrying on applauding after cheering the goals, but it just didn't work because I was the only one doing it. I looked around and noticed that a lot people had stopped doing anything at all after the initial cheer -  and it looked to me as if well less than half the people were actually doing the choreographed clapping at all, so I don't think the music helps at all.  At the Blackburn game, I didn't even bother trying to applaud after the initial cheer - and I don't do choreographed clapping.   I might clap in time with music at a music event - if it is spontaneous and I feel like doing it, but at a football match? Not for me. I want to be able to express myself freely - and choreographed clapping stifles that.

 

[yellowarmy]

The reason it doen't happen at away matches is because they don't play the music when the away team scores LDC  But if you honestly believe this is  just something unique to Norwich, then you are mistaken i'm afraid as quite a few teams use music, you prob just haven't been to those grounds, the home team hasn't scored or you haven't heard it on MOTD or the Football League Show

 

[Lake District Canary]

The reason it doen't happen at away matches is because they don't play the music when the away team scores LDC  But if you honestly believe this is  just something unique to Norwich, then you are mistaken i'm afraid as quite a few teams use music, you prob just haven't been to those grounds, the home team hasn't scored or you haven't heard it on MOTD or the Football League Show

Doh!  I'd never have guessed!    

I just love the after effect of a goal being scored and there is no music - the cheering, applause, the noise tailing off naturally into a hub bub of chatter.   Once the boom boom boom kicks in, that all goes out of the window and when the music stops it is as if a switch has been turned off and it goes relatively, too quiet.   Not natural at all. 

I go to football for football, not for karaoke or line dancing........

 

[yellowarmy]

And i couldn't agree more and it's the all seater stadiums what has caused this need to create an atmosphere by using goal music imo

 

[Lake District Canary]

Yep, its the price of progress, I suppose........safe standing areas is probably the answer.... but that's another topic!

 

[Keckers]

I disagree. The argument does work both ways as some people missed the goal music when it did go missing last year, and a lot of people noticed it. I'm aware of quite a few people who wanted it back.

As for the celebrations being as long and hard, the reality from my seat was that they died out a lot quicker and there was a feeling that something was missing.

I've never heard anyone say the music has stopped them celebrating. Seems a tad odd.

Anyway, I believe the original topic was pre-match music, and that is where there needs to be some changes.

They need to stop playing music before 2:50pm on a Saturday so that people can talk. I really hate that.

They need to change the entrance music or time it a lot better.

Get rid of Live and Let Die. Awful for an atmosphere. Replace it with something loud and aggressive.

Other than that, the pre-match music works fine...

 

[Yellowfuture]

I still miss the "f*ck off George Burley" rift before a game!

 

[yellowarmy]

Haven't really got a problem with music before the game as i believe that there has always been music played it's just played to loud.

 

[cityoldboy]

Doh!  I'd never have guessed!  

I just love the after effect of a goal being scored and there is no music - the cheering, applause, the noise tailing off naturally into a hub bub of chatter.   Once the boom boom boom kicks in, that all goes out of the window and when the music stops it is as if a switch has been turned off and it goes relatively, too quiet.   Not natural at all. 

I go to football for football, not for karaoke or line dancing........

I agree with everything you have posted LDC.

I cannot think of a single reason for a goal to be accompanied by any music.

The ground should erupt when there is a goal and every bit of the atmosphere created by that 

needs to be seen and hard. What is a better representation of the club on MOTD, loads of fans leaping about cheering 

with delight or a load of statues clapping in unison with a manufactured predetermined song ?

Same goes fro running out music. Lets hear the roar of the crowd instead. 

 

[Keckers]

You're living in a romanticised world if you think that ending the goal music is going to bring hoards of screaming jumping fans to the carra. That's not the crowd we get. Would it be nice? Lovely, but it's not real. We struggle to hear the Barclay some weeks.

I'm not putting us down. Far from it. But the myth that we'll all of a sudden have 25000 fans going mad like we did at that Derby match... It's not realistic.

I liked the Samba music. Hate the darts music. Think goal music is absolutely fine. Am happy without it as well. But let's not pretend it would be some nostalgic nirvana without the music as that is clearly not realistic. And the very recent evidence backs this up.

Have it or not but be realistic.

 

[morty]

You're living in a romanticised world if you think that ending the goal music is going to bring hoards of screaming jumping fans to the carra. That's not the crowd we get. Would it be nice? Lovely, but it's not real. We struggle to hear the Barclay some weeks.

I'm not putting us down. Far from it. But the myth that we'll all of a sudden have 25000 fans going mad like we did at that Derby match... It's not realistic.

I liked the Samba music. Hate the darts music. Think goal music is absolutely fine. Am happy without it as well. But let's not pretend it would be some nostalgic nirvana without the music as that is clearly not realistic. And the very recent evidence backs this up.

Have it or not but be realistic.

^^^This.

And if I'm celebrating a goal I'm celebrating a goal, whether theres music or not doesn't really matter. If it wasn't there I wouldn't suddenly feel compelled to celebrate less.

 

[Lake District Canary]

To me its the difference between drinking real ale and gassed up beer.  One is real, natural, full bodied, full of flavour - the other is too cold, full of artificial flavouring and not as nice tasting.   It took CAMRA to change people's perception of what is real and what is not in the world of beer.   We've also had similar campaigns about other things in life that are less in quality than they should be.  In Norwich, older people will remember Watneys, who  were responsible for getting people to accept a poor quality, gassed up and  non-live beer, as being the "norm" - and people fell for it, until CAMRA and a few enthusiasts came along and changed people's perception of what was being offered.  

Sooo much of what we are given as entertainment is like drinking Watney's beer.  Its fake, forced and lacking in quality - but people accept it - mainly because its what they are used to.  321 music at the beginning is cringeworthy, fake, forced  and lacking in quality compared to a spontaneous singing of the song.  The goal music too is fake and stops natural reaction to a goal.  

In the scheme of things its not a big deal, but if you were responsible for match day entertainment, part of your remit must be to decide what - and when - music should be used as part of the entertainment.    321 is unnecessary and if it was stopped, the crowd would sing OTBC anyway - when they wanted to.   The goal music is like drinking Watney's pale ale................ (ask your Dad or your Grandad)

 

[cityoldboy]

Brilliant analogy LDC.

CAMRA have been responsible for making nearly all pubs provide 

good real ale and opening of numerous small individual breweries and won the battle against 

the big breweries mass producing crap fizzy beer. 

This is great for a small organisation and shows that the individual can show 2 fingers to ' the man '.

Keckers. You have totally misunderstood my post.

Of course it will not create the atmosphere of yesteryear when football grounds were full or passion instead

of today's plastic supporters. You mentioned Derby game. This shows that the play on the pitch can inspire

an atmosphere ( albeit that it could not be like that game every other week ) more than playing loud music.

I am a traditionalist who accepts modern ways ( reluctantly in some cases ) but in this case think that this 

is a new fad that does nothing to create an atmosphere and would stop it immediately if I was in charge.

So here's to a future where fans drink proper real ale before a game and cheer goals without listening 

to crap music. A future that is only 4 days away for me with 8 pre match pubs on Thames planned and as many 

goals as we can manage !! ( 3 would be nice ) 

 

[Keckers]

I don't think I have misunderstood your post. What you feel is forced is natural for today's fans. The demographic of fans has changed. Today's match day fans are used to there being a theme to lots if things (rightly or wrongly) and that's just how it is. I still draw your attention to the fact that the Barclay (only proper fans sit there, right?) and the Snakepit (die-hard fans who show their steel by telling four match day stewards probably on min wage repeatedly how they will stand if they want in song regardless of the law or the implications potentially for our safety certificate) often can't be heard and when the goal music wasn't there, we're just as quick to stop their celebrations as the rest of the ground. If anything, forced or not, the music prolongs celebrations and rubs it in the faces of the opposition on the park just that little bit more.

And as for the CAMRA analogy LDC, the reality is that craft ales are still a lot less popular with the majority. It so subjective. Just because you prefer your ale a certain way doesn't mean that your opinion on it is the last word, or for that matter the 'best' word. It's just an opinion. I personally prefer craft beers from the continent, particularly from Bavaria (preferably served there with pretzels!!) but my opinion is no more or less valid than yours. What is true is that my preference is not anywhere near as widely available as yours, suggesting a general preference. As there is a general preference for cheap but adequate lager that is refreshing and equally enjoyable if not more so to most over your choice of ales.

The music is the same. It is there because there is a general preference for it. After dropping it, why would the club bring it back otherwise? I seem to remember a lot of talk on twitter, etc., about bringing it back.

I really don't care about the music. As I said, I liked the Samba one but hate the new one. Either way, it cannot be argued that a lot if people seem to enjoy it, especially families bringing kids, the future supporters, and that it prolongs celebrations. I'm happy with that.

 

[Lake District Canary]

And as for the CAMRA analogy LDC, the reality is that craft ales are still a lot less popular with the majority. It so subjective. Just because you prefer your ale a certain way doesn't mean that your opinion on it is the last word, or for that matter the 'best' word. It's just an opinion. I personally prefer craft beers from the continent, particularly from Bavaria (preferably served there with pretzels!!) but my opinion is no more or less valid than yours. What is true is that my preference is not anywhere near as widely available as yours, suggesting a general preference. As there is a general preference for cheap but adequate lager that is refreshing and equally enjoyable if not more so to most over your choice of ales.

That is all fair comment - apart from you inferring me thinking my opinion is right, which I don't - it's just an opinion.  

We all like what we like.  My views on it are just that in nearly everything we do these days, it is influenced or affected by someone else's view of what we should be doing and/or how we should be doing it.    I hate that feeling of someone else dictating or trying to make me act in a way that is more to do with what they want and not what I want.  It happens all the time.   Big businesses (as in the big breweries with the beer analogy), the media/advertising (forever sensationalising things to get more readers/viewers/customers) and politicians (always trying to cover their tracks and trying to persuade you black is white), are the mainstay of the diatribe of what today's society gives us. 

I do feel strongly about the subject, but it is still only my opinion, that football should be left as just football. Give us live entertainment, by all means, before a match and at half time.   Live entertainment is fantastic - and if you go to a match you get the best of live entertainment during it as well, but the 321 and the goal music though, are symptoms of something else. 

"Today's fans" as you put it, are just products of what they are used to.  My point is that they - presumably you mean younger ones - are only a proportion of the overall fan base.  If you sit in the City Stand/N&P or the Jarrold - just look around the next time we score - I think you'll be surprised at the number of people who don't clap when the music starts. The Barclay may be different, its usually more vocal and active - but the rest of the ground................

 

[cityoldboy]

I went to Leicester to see us getting stuffed 4 0 and still hate Chelsea Dagger to this day

so you may have a point. 

Regarding CAMRA and real ale it is opinion of course but the point that LDC and I are 

making is that the large breweries squashed the small breweries and the little men 

fought back to achieve good quality beer ( whether you like it or not ) and David beat Goliath. 

There is an unwritten code for everything where the something is considered the best regardless

of public opinion.

For example in design, plastic conservatories are considered to be hideous and the bridge at Millau

by Foster one of the most beautiful sights in Europe.  

I expect others to disagree.