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GJP
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Even worse than that what if Whittaker had played!?!?
Bournemouth probably would have won 70 nil.
Bournemouth probably would have won 70 nil.
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Canaryboy
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I'm more worried about whether our targets will want to join us after watching the last few games.
Dubai Mark
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After Wednesday when I thought we played well despite the result, and against a better side than Bournemouth, I really was expecting a minimum of a point today. But that was shocking, so frustrated, you need to match their work rate and we didnt come close today. Crazy blaming individual players, as I see this was about team choice, tactics and motivation, although I know its easier to blame the players. We really do not know which Norwich City is going to turn up each week right now, so inconsistent.
Canaryboy
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I'd really like to know whether Afobe remained our target for this window and if not why not, and if so what went wrong.
If it is a case of another player simply choosing Bournemouth over us, to add to Callum Wilson and Lewis Grabban, then how the hell are Bournemouth and their tinpot stadium a bigger draw than a club which admittedly isn't any better on the pitch but has a great little stadium, some decent facilities and a hell of a lot more history and prestige?
If it is a case of another player simply choosing Bournemouth over us, to add to Callum Wilson and Lewis Grabban, then how the hell are Bournemouth and their tinpot stadium a bigger draw than a club which admittedly isn't any better on the pitch but has a great little stadium, some decent facilities and a hell of a lot more history and prestige?
Din
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I can't remember being this angry and embarrassed at a performance since the Hughton days. Today was, arguably, the biggest game of our season so far, which if we had won we would be 7 points clear of the relegation zone and 5 points clear of Bournemouth. Right now with us though it's 1 step forwards 2 steps back, we go to Old Trafford and get a win, we then win back to back home games and it feels like we're beginning to pick up momentum, we then go into 2 winnable games against Stoke and Bournemouth and pick up 0 points and it's purely our own fault.
We just lacked quality all over the pitch. Martin was atrocious and Pugh and Daniels had him every single time down that side, although not helped by the fact that Odjidja's defensive contributions were non-existent apart from giving away a lazy foul for the penalty. Neither Bennett or Bassong could deal with Afobe, either when he came in short and held the ball up or when he made runs in behind. Brady again was at fault for one of the goals by not tracking his man and I feel that he'd be used more effectively as a winger rather than a full back, in particular as Jarvis was so poor. His delivery into the box was terrible and his passing wasn't any better. Tettey was just constantly chasing the ball as he couldn't get near the Bournemouth midfield, and Hoolahan had by far and away his worst game for a while. His passing was appalling and he offered nothing going forwards. Mbokani held the ball up well but his passing was also extremely poor and he had a wonderful chance at 2-0 to get us back in the game and he wasted it badly. Howson is the only player to really come out of this game with any credit.
Don't know what else I can say really. Simply terrible. The sooner we bring in a new centre back and striker the better, as well as getting Pinto to full fitness. Liverpool and Tottenham now next 2 games, fantastic.
We just lacked quality all over the pitch. Martin was atrocious and Pugh and Daniels had him every single time down that side, although not helped by the fact that Odjidja's defensive contributions were non-existent apart from giving away a lazy foul for the penalty. Neither Bennett or Bassong could deal with Afobe, either when he came in short and held the ball up or when he made runs in behind. Brady again was at fault for one of the goals by not tracking his man and I feel that he'd be used more effectively as a winger rather than a full back, in particular as Jarvis was so poor. His delivery into the box was terrible and his passing wasn't any better. Tettey was just constantly chasing the ball as he couldn't get near the Bournemouth midfield, and Hoolahan had by far and away his worst game for a while. His passing was appalling and he offered nothing going forwards. Mbokani held the ball up well but his passing was also extremely poor and he had a wonderful chance at 2-0 to get us back in the game and he wasted it badly. Howson is the only player to really come out of this game with any credit.
Don't know what else I can say really. Simply terrible. The sooner we bring in a new centre back and striker the better, as well as getting Pinto to full fitness. Liverpool and Tottenham now next 2 games, fantastic.
eatonparkboy
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morty
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Yeah I really should unfollow Grabban on twitter...
Indy_Bones
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There should be no reasonable excuses for that utterly shambolic display today.
Defensively we were poor, who in turn were not helped by the midfield (bar Tettey most of the time) who appeared unable to create anything, including an especially poor performance from Wes, Jarvis and Mbokani (tell me again why he's playing ahead of Jerome???).
For the next game I'd be looking at something like this:
Rudd
Pinto, New CB/Wisdom, Bassong, Olsson
Tettey
Redmond, Mulumbu, Brady
VOO
Jerome/New STR
Defensively we were poor, who in turn were not helped by the midfield (bar Tettey most of the time) who appeared unable to create anything, including an especially poor performance from Wes, Jarvis and Mbokani (tell me again why he's playing ahead of Jerome???).
For the next game I'd be looking at something like this:
Rudd
Pinto, New CB/Wisdom, Bassong, Olsson
Tettey
Redmond, Mulumbu, Brady
VOO
Jerome/New STR
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GJP
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I would not drop Howson for Mulumbu.
Dubai Mark
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I am confused with the above post by Eaton that quotes me, why does that quote something I didnt say?
eatonparkboy
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AN quotes
"I didn't think we did all the things we have been doing well enough," said Neil.
Well recently it has been losing after a couple of dull but point garnering performances against Villa and Saints."We didn't compete well enough, I don't think our use of the ball was good enough and we didn't defend our box well enough.
We didn't compete at all throughout the game and never supported the man with the ball"It's disappointing and I'm quite surprised because that team has been relatively consistent over the last five or six games in terms of selection.
The line up for the last six games has never once been the same"They've been playing well recently, so it's difficult to put your finger on why we played so poorly today."
Because Martin, Bennet Bassong Brady aren't Prem defenders (Brady is a wide midfield/winger and our midfield was played out of position and a striker who does not move. The third game we have conceded three and the last time we scored three was 30 September
So the manager is saying he is the only person who is involved with club who doesn't know why it is going wrong.
I have mentioned in other posts that he needs help. Otherwise, I am now starting to believe he is out of his depth.
"I didn't think we did all the things we have been doing well enough," said Neil.
Well recently it has been losing after a couple of dull but point garnering performances against Villa and Saints."We didn't compete well enough, I don't think our use of the ball was good enough and we didn't defend our box well enough.
We didn't compete at all throughout the game and never supported the man with the ball"It's disappointing and I'm quite surprised because that team has been relatively consistent over the last five or six games in terms of selection.
The line up for the last six games has never once been the same"They've been playing well recently, so it's difficult to put your finger on why we played so poorly today."
Because Martin, Bennet Bassong Brady aren't Prem defenders (Brady is a wide midfield/winger and our midfield was played out of position and a striker who does not move. The third game we have conceded three and the last time we scored three was 30 September
So the manager is saying he is the only person who is involved with club who doesn't know why it is going wrong.
I have mentioned in other posts that he needs help. Otherwise, I am now starting to believe he is out of his depth.
eatonparkboy
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Sorry, I am having difficulty when I use someone else's post to quote. I was actually responding to Canaryboy but my PC through up your quote. PITA
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Trevmuttley
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We have been saying since we got back to the top flight that our defence isn't good enough, they are nearly the same lot that got us down last time so why are they good enough this time, the fact that we haven't spent no where enough on bringing new blood in is disrespectful to the fans that spend good money every year on year.
I thought things would be different this time and with the new TV deal coming in next year (the carrot in front of the donkey) they would fight every week. Today they were a disgrace to the yellow and green shirt they put on.
I hope things get better we need new blood so come on get the cash out please!
I thought things would be different this time and with the new TV deal coming in next year (the carrot in front of the donkey) they would fight every week. Today they were a disgrace to the yellow and green shirt they put on.
I hope things get better we need new blood so come on get the cash out please!
Canaryboy
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Its true that we simply haven't invested enough money into the playing squad this year, you are spot on.
Furthermore we've sold two players who were key players for us last season for £13m, and not spent the proceeds.
In fact, are we even net spenders? We look on course to make a profit from transfers this season. Brady £7m, Pinto £2.2m, Dorrans £2.5m?
We've received more in transfer fees than we've spent.
Simply woefully adequate investment in the playing squad.
Dubai Mark
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We also have just signed Jarvis too of course, and the youngster from York. I never really take much from the headline media stated transfer fees as feel they are just guesstimate's, plus its not just about the transfer fee as we all know. Also I dont think it's not that club haven't been trying either, as that's quite clear. That all said, the time really has come for that injection if class the squadvus desperate for, as without it we are, despite our best efforts...........doomed!
Din
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Oh come on, it's very convenient how nobody was complaining about the performances against Villa and Southampton, and yet suddenly a bad result and you try to claim that you weren't actually particularly impressed by either game all along.
The quality of defenders is the problem yes, but the back 5 that played today are the same 5 that played so well and kept consistent clean sheets against Villa and Southampton. Alex Neil is hardly going to come out and say that the defenders he has aren't good enough hence why they're not consistent, instead if he is of that opinion he will simply buy defenders in the transfer market, which with the arrival of Pinto and hopefully Klose, he is doing. To suggest that Alex Neil is the only one who doesn't know why it's going wrong is ridiculous. He is not out of his depth at all in my opinion, simply the players that we have are not good enough/lower Premier League quality, hence why we are where we are in the league.
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GJP
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Well if you say the players aren't good enough then surely you could argue the manager isn't good enough either?
Either way 3 defeats in a week is bad all round. Especially with 9 against and only 1 for.
Either way 3 defeats in a week is bad all round. Especially with 9 against and only 1 for.
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Fimbo
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I still think we are where we are on merit. And we could likely survive with the players we have - but of course I would still like to see some strengthening. I don't read too much into the cup game. I thought we.were OK but for a rash moment against Stoke. And even then we had chances such as Wes missing the open goal. Today was horrible. But as we have known all along, being good enough to survive is a far cry from being consistent.
eatonparkboy
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"This is absolutely embarrasing. The most lacklustre joke of a performance I have seen for a long time, and of all the games to perform this poorly in it's this one, which is such a big game. We need new signings all over the pitch because based on this we are nowhere near good enough for this level. Absolutely pathetic with a difficult run of games coming up."
Your post earlier.
I don't think I need to go further other than to say I am not saying anything out of character. If you read many of my posts I have criticised the management team and have said whatever talent AN has, it is not enough at the moment and he needs help. For him to say he can't put his finger on why we played so badly is another example of him not admitting he picked the wrong team and he has to start taking responsibilty.
And I am absolutely astonished when I read some posts on here and particularly the Pink Un site, that so many think anyone who dares criticise is either a wnaker, moron, plastic or whatever or the Thatcheresque you don't understand what the manager is trying to achieve, even though he can't put his finger on it.
Tell me what our style or tactics are supposed to be. When we had possession today we passed it without any real idea of what we were aiming to do. We all saw that after the first 10 minutes. And yet there was no change of personnel or tactics until 56 minutes!
I have no idea what the club's ambition is other than stay up if you can. 17th will do is not much of a five year plan. No ground capacity increase, mustn't pay good money and bring in talent it will break the wages structure show no thought of looking ahead.
I really thought this season was going to be different but it is just another one just like the last one under Hughton. what happened to the progressive football of earlier in the season? Ditched in favour of a couple of dull wins against Villa and Saints.
I really want my club to succeed and play attractive skilful football. We've seen that once recently, well seven weeks ago, the second half against Arsenal. If we go down then so be it but lets not surrender the status.
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